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To: rich4eagle who wrote (222052)	1/25/2002 10:12:19 AM
From: Ish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

<<China spends 20 billion on defense has no Navy, >> 63(+3) Tactical Submarines - 32 Type-033 "Romeo"-Class SSK With 8x533 mm, retiring; - 2 Type-035 "Ming"-Class SSK With 8x533 mm; - 17 Type-035G "Improved Ming"-Class SSK With 8x533 mm; - 2(+2) Type-039 "Song-Class SSK With 6x533 mm & YJ-8Q SLCM; - 4 Type-877EKM/Type-636 "Kilo"-Class SSK With 6x533 mm; - 2 Type-091 "Han"-Class SSN With 6x533 mm; - 3 Type-091G "Improved Han"-Class With 6x533 mm & YJ-8Q SLCM; - 1(+1) Type-093 With 6x533 mm & YJ-8Q SLCM 21 DDGs - 16 Type-051 "Luda"-Class, 2x3 HY-1A or 4x4 YJ-83 SSM, 2x12 ASW RL, 2x2 130 mm Guns; Some With 1x8 HQ-7 SAM; 2 With 2xZ-9C Helicopter; Some With 2x3 ASTT; - 2 Type-052 "Luhu"-Class, 4x2 YJ-8A SSM, 1x8 HQ-7 SAM, 2xAS-565 "Panther" Helicopter, 2x3 ASTT, 2x12 ASW RL, 1x2 100 mm Gun; - 1 Type-051G3 "Luhai"-Class, 4x4 YJ-83 SSM, 1x8 HQ-7 SAM, 2xZ-9C Helicopter, 2x3 ASTT, 1x2 100 mm Gun; - 2 Type-956E "Sovremenny"-Class, 8xSS-N-22E SSM, 2x22 MR SA-N-7 SAM, 1xKa-28 Helicopter, 2x2 130 mm Guns 43 FFGs - 27 Type-053H/H1/H1G "Jianghu"-Class, 2x2 SY-1A/-2 SSM, 2x5 or 4x5 ASW RL, 2 or 2x2 100 mm Guns; At Least 1 With 4x2 PL-9C SAM-Gun System; - 1 Type-053H2H "Jianghu"-Class, 1x2 SY-1A SSM, 1xZ-9 Helo, 2x3 ASTT, 2x5 ASW RL, 1x100 mm Gun; - 3 Type-053H2 "Jianghu"-Class, 4x2 YJ-8A SSM, 2x5 ASW RL, 2x2 100 mm Guns; - 4 Type-053H2G "Jiangwei-I"-Class, 2x3 YJ-8A SSM, 1x6 HQ-61B SAM, 1xAS-565 "Panther" Helicopter, 2x6 ASW RL, 1x2 100 mm Gun; - 8 Type-053H3 "Jiangwei-II"-Class, 2x4 YJ-83 SSM, 1x8 HQ-7 SAM, 1xZ-9C Helicopter, 2x6 ASW RL, 1x2 100 mm Gun. 84(+2) Missile Crafts - 25 Type-024 "Hegu"-Class, 2xSY-1A SSM; - 30 Type-021 "Huangfeng"-Class, 4xSY-1A SSM; - 23 Type-037IG "Houxin"-Class, 2x2 YJ-8A SSM; - 6(+2) TYpe-037II "Houjian/Huang"-Class, 2x3 YJ-8A SSM. 52(+5) Amphibious Landing Ships - 8(+2) Type-072II "Yuting"-Class LST, 250 Marines, 10 Tanks, 4 LCVP, and 1 Helo; - 7 Type-072 "Yukan"-Class LST, 200 Marines, 10 Tanks, 2 LCVP; - 1 Type-073 "Yudeng"-Class LSM, 500 Marines; - 22 Type-079 "Yuliang"-Class LSM, 3 Tanks; - 13(+3) Type-074 "Yuhai"-Class LSM, 250 Marines or 2 Tanks; - 1 "Yudao"-Class LSM, 5 Tanks. Marines: 2 Brigades Of At Least 7,000 Personnel - Type-63/Type-63A Amphibious Light Tank; - Type-77II APC; - Type-83 122 mm Towed Howitzer; - Type-63 12-Round 107 mm MRL; - HJ-73 Series ATGW; - HN-5 Series Man-Portable SAM; - Type-724 "Dagu"-Class ACV, 45 Ton Payload, 55 Knots. - Z-8 Troop Transport/Assault Helicopter; - Mil-8 Troop Transport Helicopter. 35-40 Coastal Artillery & Missile Regiments at 25 Coastal Defense Regions, Including: - 1,000 37/57 mm AAA Pieces; - 80 Battalions of Some 300 HY-2A/-2AII/-2B/-2BII & HY-4 SSM, Range 95-135 km; - 200-300 Type-59I 130 mm Guns. Shipborne Surface-To-Surface Missiles, Including: - SY-1A, Range 30 km; - SY-2, Range 40 km; - HY-1A, Range 46 km; - YJ-8/-8A, Range 40/85 km; - YJ-83, Range 128 km; - 3M80E (SS-N-22 "Sunburn"), Range 160 km. webspawner.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

To: rich4eagle who wrote (222052)	1/25/2002 10:17:25 AM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

China's military is a formidable fighting force. It is not static. Moreover, in sheer numbers well....even you should get the point.... JLA

To: rich4eagle who wrote (222052)	1/25/2002 10:54:16 AM
From: DavesM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Rich, While I agree with you, that China does not match up with the United States militarily, you continue to understate them as well. You continue to use the 20 billion dollar number on Chinese military spending. From what I have read, virtually no one actually believes the $20B number - the actual amount is probably a State Secret. I have read that in any case, the $20B EXCLUDES research and development costs of new weapon systems, AND the cost of foreign military purchases (like jets from Russia, or the recently canceled AWACs purchases from Israel). My understanding is that the Chinese have begun a serious effort to modernization of their military - after seeing the results of the Gulf War. You continue to mention Chinese missiles, and compare them to U.S. warheads. While this comparison is valid currently, apparently SOON the situation will be reversed - the United States will have ICBMs with single warheads, and the Chinese will have ICBMs with multiple warheads. BTW arms treaties limit the number of U.S. long range bombers (and nuclear capable) to around 100. It seems that while the United States and Russia (Soviet Union) for the past 15 years have been trying to tip toe away from MAD, the Chinese may use this as an opportunity to join the MAD club.