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To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (147444)	1/31/2002 10:59:43 AM
From: 10K a day	Respond to of 436258

> a 10-splitter is either a counter or a moron.. Hey dude, I just bought a wood splitter...

To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (147444)	1/31/2002 11:03:19 AM
From: Knighty Tin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

patron, So, you are saying I should be insulted because security never bothers me? <g> The other consideration is if the count is sufficiently high and the dealer is showing a death card (6,5, etc). Then, you want to split whatever you have to get that double bet when he is likely to bust. I have split any pair I had, even 6s, in some situations like that.

To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (147444)	1/31/2002 11:46:25 AM
From: orkrious	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

OT patron, nice story on blackjack. I enjoyed it. It reminds me of the story in Beat The Dealer (by Edward Thorp, one of the first counters) of how he and a friend were in the Caribbean before counters were known. in addition to counting the one deck, they kept track of the number of aces dealt by the place their foot was on the stool. His friend had two tens and there was one card left. He knew the one card left was an ace. His friend doubled his bet and wanted one card to double down. The dealer thought he was crazy and tried to talk him out of it. When he insisted, the dealer called over the pit boss. He again insisted, and the pit boss told the dealer to flip the card. Astonished, they paid him, then escorted the pair out of the casino. ork (a recreational counter)

To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (147444)	1/31/2002 12:02:48 PM
From: sun-tzu	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

my brother-in-arms <G>

To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (147444)	1/31/2002 12:05:28 PM
From: Horgad	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

I was counting in Vegas and the count said that there were lots of 10s in the deck so I split my 10s. The other players got pissed saying that you never split 10s and that I was ruining their hands. I won and then walked away from the table with the other players glaring at me. I won about $40 bucks or so... I bought my wife a decent dinner instead of the cheapo buffet we had planned on.

To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (147444)	1/31/2002 12:15:12 PM
From: ild	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

<<<review of the playing tape >>> Do they have it?

To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (147444)	1/31/2002 12:21:06 PM
From: benwood	Respond to of 436258

I think without counting cards you'd still split 10s with a dealer showing 2 through 6. The disadvantage of playing what's "felt" by the average player is that he concedes 5% to the house with his suboptimal play. With correct, but non-counting play, you only concede about 1/2%. But with correct play with counting against a deck, you can play at about +2% (a bit less against a shoe). I tried it when I was 21 -- not worth the hassle. But I saw some of the most horrendous plays then, like the guy who split 4s, then resplit, to create 3 hands where there had been one -- against a dealer-shown ace. So, he lost three hands instead of one. Edit: everything's on the Internet now. Never split 10s, always split aces. I remember the way I played now -- the odds did occasionally favor splitting 10s (when counting), but that I did not do so simply because this drew attention. blackjackrulesonline.com