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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (16113)	3/4/2002 8:41:38 PM
From: elmatador	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 74559

Easy. The current population boom is just a blip. It will go down to one billion. There are only a few pockets of high population growth above replacement. Africa and Middle-East. Everywhere is going down. If we would be running out of energy resources, or food, for that matter, the prices of those commodities would be going up. They aren't. The Malthusian vision of the Club of Rome -who failed miserably in their projections is a case in point of taking a snap shot and projecting from there on.

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (16113)	3/4/2002 8:55:20 PM
From: AC Flyer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

>>we'll be out of the oil business by 2100, after some astonishing price gouging occurs. But by then, we'll be 12 Billion strong, without hope of a brighter future, a sustainable agriculture, oceans that provide enough protein, fresh water, or places to put all the surplus people. What then? Shouldn't we think ahead, just a bit?<< We should. You shouldn't. U.N. Backs Off From Overpopulation Thesis Daily Policy Digest International Issues / Population and Resources Monday, March 04, 2002 Some years back, the United Nations foresaw a massive increase in world population. But its latest medium projections conclude that in this century we can expect a "slowing of population growth rates" followed by "slow reductions in the size of world populations." But American Enterprise Institute demographer Ben J. Wattenberg still thinks the U.N. projections are too high. "Never have birth and fertility rates fallen so far, so low, for so long, in so many places," he writes. The U.N.'s new proposal acknowledges that fertility is falling more rapidly than expected in some big, less developed countries. The U.N. concludes that the less developed nations are heading toward a fertility rate of 1.85 children per woman -- down significantly from the 2.1 of earlier projections, which is also the replacement rate. This would yield a maximum global population in the 8 billion to 9 billion range -- far below the 11.5 billion predicted in earlier studies. Wattenberg thinks even the new figure of 1.85 children per woman is too high and that by 2050 the world will experience a substantial population decline. This would mean that we are not a species that is out of control, and that we can view issues such as family planning and the environment calmly and without panic. Source: Ben J. Wattenberg (American Enterprise Institute), "'Overpopulation' Turns Out to Be Overhyped," Wall Street Journal, March 4, 2002. ncpa.org

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (16113)	3/5/2002 12:34:40 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 74559

<Maybe you or Maurice would like to comment on the big picture issue in energy. It is said that Planet earth had about 3 Trillion barrels of recoverable crude oil before Drake's discovery in Pennsylvania changed everything. In the 140 years since then, we've used about 1 T bbl, our rate of consumption indicates we'll be out of the oil business by 2100, after some astonishing price gouging occurs. But by then, we'll be 12 Billion strong, without hope of a brighter future, a sustainable agriculture, oceans that provide enough protein, fresh water, or places to put all the surplus people. What then? Shouldn't we think ahead, just a bit? > I've done a lot of thinking ahead and your comments are plain wrong. Your faulty, unhappy ideas are quite surprising for somebody who knows some big words. See rant number 314158 about oil and all that stuff. Your weedy life is going to be so miserable and there are already too many people, so how about recycling yourself now as plant food? That would help solve the problems you worry about and stop you worrying all at once! Mqurice PS: Have you tried serotonin reuptake inhibitors or maybe some monosodium glutamate? Maybe some pineal gland stimulation with bright lights?