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To: BigBull who wrote (21682)3/18/2002 10:11:04 PM
From: JohnM  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
Fascinating Atlantic piece on responses to genocide.

Definitely so. Thanks for the link.

John



To: BigBull who wrote (21682)3/19/2002 7:10:19 AM
From: frankw1900  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 281500
 
In each case of the nineties' genocides there was plenty of warning. The population was prepared with propaganda. Quite public, in newspapers and particularly on radio.

What was coming was known to every semi-comatose foreign service type in those areas. The propaganda was reported in all the newspapers of record. The trial runs and experimental murders were reported also.

The preparations for genocide are public and accessible to all.

The major powers and the UN don't want to be pro-active in these cases. Not even now.

Right now there is a very decentralized movement for multi national genocide. There is evidence for this in Egypt, Nigeria, Sudan, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Indonesia: genocidal propaganda, experimental murders and displacement.

There is too much complacency.

Sensible procedure for the present crisis would be for Nato, Russia, Israel and India to destroy Pakistan's nuclear base, replace it's military leadership, jail its renegade intelligence and miltary folk for long periods, establish real government in its tribal territories, dismantle the madrassas, and jail surviving islamofascists till they rot: Invade Iraq and establish a real democracy there. Then threaten to do the same to Syria unless it cleans up its act forthwith. Stop buying oil from the Saudis until they stop issuing passports to 700 AD and put down their terrorists. No aid for Egypt until it cleans up the genocidal messages in its newspapers and Mubarrak stops pandering to the islamofacists. Oh yes, clean out the Palestinian terrorist leadership and send Arafat to St Helena permanently. Follow the Hamas and like trails right up to the relevant doorsteps around the world and make serious demands with nasty consequences for non compliance.

The above is not farfetched. A halfhearted version of it is being attempted right now. Half hearted because much of the modern world is still denying the message and much of the rest of it is either wringing their hands saying it's all our fault anyway, and we don't want to do anything to make them hate us even more, or vitiating efforts in intra fraternal squabbles easily put off until later. The effort loses vigour as a consequence and the terrorist part of the genocidal program is encouraged - it sees the lack of vigour as sign of success.

The largest terrorist infra structure in the world is in Pakistan and its's dedicated to the genocidal message. The Saudis have been exporting and financing the message. Egyptian governments have allowed the islamofacists to destroy half the civil structure of the country and allowed them to publish hate literature as if it were news. None of these will see any reason to change what they're doing if the modern world merely wags its finger. Certain elements in these countries and elewhere must be utterly defeated before their support will drop away.



To: BigBull who wrote (21682)3/19/2002 2:03:32 PM
From: tekboy  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
here's a review of the genocide book from Newsweek:

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