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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: epicure who wrote (45838)	3/29/2002 1:58:29 AM
From: epicure	Respond to of 82486

See Donnie Darko: Donnie Darko- what a great movie I saw this advertised when it was in the theatres. A giant bunny telling a kid to do horrible thigns? No way, I wasn't going to see it, even if it was an art house movie. But of course on video, well, that's different. Boy was I wrong about it. See the movie. I don't even want to ruin it by trying to describe it. But it is a great movie.

To: epicure who wrote (45838)	3/29/2002 11:15:52 AM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

When I have time, this will be a good discussion. But unfortunately I have a major hearing Monday I have to prepare for, and the kids are up on spring break, so . . . Hold those thoughts. (As though you would ever let go of them!!)

To: epicure who wrote (45838)	3/29/2002 11:23:18 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 82486

They come together for political action which is aimed at foisting their religious agenda, and their crusade for Christian values, on everyone. When I use the term, religious right, I, too, have in mind a political movement or agenda or interest group, not religious people or conservatives or conservatives who are religious. Religious and/or conservative people are not in question. It's the movement.

To: epicure who wrote (45838)	3/30/2002 12:03:48 AM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Okay, I have the time now. They come together for political action which is aimed at foisting their religious agenda, and their crusade for Christian values, on everyone. Their values, yes. Just as almost every organized group (labor, environmental, atheist, you name it) seeks to impose their values on everyone. That's the nature of any cruasde. But the press doesn't use most of those terms perjoratively. Why should the fact that a person's values arise from their religious thinking rather than their ethical thinking as might be the case with, say, animal rights crusaders, make it wrong for them to seek to have society accept their values? IMO, the anti-smoking people are far more virulent in pursuing their agenda than any religious group I know. And they have, indeed, been successful in denying people the right to smoke in many locations. (For which, as a lifetime smoker, I am not ungrateful, but as a libertarian have serious concerns about.) My basic feeling is that people should use their right to ignore other people and behaviors. If you are offended by a Noel sign on a ferry terminal, don't watch it. Watch the seagulls, which offend other people. No sign can hurt you unless you choose to let it do so. It's an element, IMO, of peoples' unwillingness to accept responsibility for their own behavior. If the sign offends you, blame somebody else for putting it up, don't blame yourself for letting yourself be offended. I'm being asked to turn the computer over to others, so I'll leave it here for the moment, but I'll be back later this weekend, I hope!