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To: hmaly who wrote (144930)	4/14/2002 12:52:56 PM
From: SilentZ	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572502

>Just as Bill's, lets just sit back and take it culminated in Sept 11. Is Bill remembered as a great leader for that one? Only in your mind. Oh, I'm not a Clinton fan, but don't try to pin all of the blame on him here... Dubya had a number of months in office before it happened, and there's no evidence he helped much. Reagan began to scale back the CIA at the end of the Cold War, and Bush Sr. and Clinton both continued it. Bush Sr. also left Saddam in power. Reagan pulled out of Lebanon after accomplishing nothing in '82. Clinton didn't make a real attempt to capture bin Laden, and neither did Dubya before Sept. 11th. Dubya tried to keep out of the Middle East situation until he had to. Our last few administrations all screwed up considerably, don't try and blame it on just one. >Both sides have hated each other since long before King David; or haven't you heard about King David and Goliath? Once again, back to Bible stories. The Philistines were not likely ancestors of today's Palestinians. King David may have never existed. This doesn't go back that far. The Arabs didn't like the Jews nor the Christians, and persecuted both in their states as second-class citizens and even as slaves and animals. The emergence of the Jews as the main enemy came about with the rise of Zionism... they just didn't like the idea of a non-Muslim country in their midst. This really goes back less than a century, and the hatred is much stronger on one side than the other, and any hatred that the Israelis may harbor comes from the basically incessant attacks of the last 55 years. Even so, most (or close to all Israelis) are willing to forgive and forget if they're allowed to live in peace. -Z

To: hmaly who wrote (144930)	4/14/2002 3:14:23 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1572502

They hate the Palestinians with a passion and there is no reasoning with them.<<<<<< Both sides have hated each other since long before King David; or haven't you heard about King David and Goliath? What the heck makes you think it will stop this century, without something catacysmic to stop it. The only way this will stop is if the outside forces, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, stop funneling arms and money in to keep the war going. Harry, stop and think about what you are saying. You think that the Israelis use of force will do the trick. Well 99 to 1 it won't work. There is that 1% chance but its very unlikely. There is no real solution. This is one of those feuds whose original cause has been supplanted by hate and anger. Normally, I would say ignore them and let them kill each other. They have become childish and petulant, and deserve to feel some pain. However, more is at stack then just these two peoples. Things are so intertwined in the Mid East, that this has the potential to be a much larger explosion. Israel may have to close its borders with the WB. Pull back its settlers. Stop all interaction. No longer permit Palestinians from coming in as a labor source, and learn to do its grunt work on its own. ted