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To: Poet who wrote (9931)	4/19/2002 1:17:42 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21057

The ridicule here is focused on the presumptuousness that those who engage in the behavior that crosses the line are somehow sullied by it. There are perspectives of ridicule on this thread and this may be one. More prevalent, however, is the concern that "society" may be somehow sullied by some acts performed by concenting adults. Irresponsible, lustful sexual activity may carry harmful consequences to associated individuals and groups. The umbrella term "consenting adults" seems to have created a screen through which no other concerns may be addressed.

To: Poet who wrote (9931)	4/19/2002 1:18:55 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21057

One might have a problem about where to draw the line, and one might be willing to mind one's own business, in the sense of neither legislating nor poking into the sex lives of individuals, but nevertheless be unable from refrain from having negative opinions about certain practices. I do not think that I will ever regard "golden showers" as anything but sick, although more symptomatic than harmful in itself, for example. I think that "falling in love" with one's German shepherd would constitute a meaningful abnormality. Compulsive masturbation, the sort of thing where one needs to relieve oneself at several intervals throughout the day, is no better, and perhaps worse, than compulsive hand washing. An insistence on simulating necrophilia is at least dubious, and probably morbid. Granted latitude for sexual play, it is not unreasonable to suppose that there are some practices which are aberrant........

To: Poet who wrote (9931)	4/19/2002 3:55:35 PM
From: Rick Julian	Respond to of 21057

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To: Poet who wrote (9931)	4/19/2002 4:01:34 PM
From: Rick Julian	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21057

Existence 101: No behavior is without consequence. Each action we perform, no matter how apparently benign, yields a corresponding reaction. You seem to be inferring that those who participate in certain "unusual" sexual behaviors are immune (not "sullied") to the consequences of these behaviors. I disagree. Certain sexual behaviors have psychological manifestations that are not healthy--they sully the minds (eg.,forming neuroses) and bodies (eg.,hepatitis, hemorrhoids . . .) of people. IMO, sexual degradation, for example, sullies people even if it one calls it "role playing". The notion that the psychological impact of a degrading experience doesn't leave the bedroom with the participants seems naive to me. The notion that the repetition of this kind of act over a span of years doesn't begin shape a person's character and relationships, denies a serious awareness of human psychology. "Just look at Barbara, her nails are perfectly manicured, her Jag is always spotless, and she graduated from Vassar--what's so wrong with her husband putting a leather mask over her head, having her wear a dog collar, and watching her have sex with his boss? For heaven's sake, they're consenting adults! " I wouldn't want to be a fly on the wall of the smallest room in either of their brains. And if "Barbara" were my sister . . . I, uh, would be . . .uh . . . unhappyish. Actually, this is a very profound topic as it addresses the reverberation (not limited to sexual acts) of actions on the physical plane into the realm of our psychology. Consequences, consequences . . . sometimes they're subtle, but nothing is inconsequential.