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To: rich4eagle who wrote (254061)	5/10/2002 1:19:46 AM
From: DavesM	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

re:"sorry to say, but...Stalin and Mao were right wingers." Rich, I disagree. And if you go back, you will probably find that many American progressives were defenders of both Stalin and Mao. In more recent times, it was members of the American left, not the right that chose to ignore the Killing Fields of Pol Pot (at least, till fellow communist Vietnam invaded Cambodia and force the world to admitt that the genocide was true) capitalismmagazine.com "The growing hysteria of the administration's posture on Cambodia," declared Senator George McGovern, "seems to me to reflect a determined refusal to consider what the fall of the existing government in Phnom Penh would actually mean.... We should be able to see that the kind of government which would succeed Lon Nol's forces would most likely be a government ... run by some of the best-educated, most able intellectuals in Cambodia." On the other hand, Gerald Ford "warned of "horror and tragedy" if Cambodia was abandoned to the Khmer Rouge and pleaded with Congress to supply Lon Nol's army with the tools it needed to defend itself." What about the American Labor movement are they liberal? Well, well yes, but they have an early history of inciting violence and hatred toward Asians. When Sam Gompers ran the AFL, a Mexican and Asian farm worker union in California tried to enter the AFL - they were told they could join, if Asians were removed from the union. If you look at history, Progressives in the American West were passing the very same laws against Asians, as the KKK helped pass against Blacks in the South. Ever heard of the Tacoma Method?

To: rich4eagle who wrote (254061)	5/10/2002 3:29:22 AM
From: RON BL	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Yeah they were atheists who preached socialism. Just obvious right wingers. Keep slinging it Nazi boy

To: rich4eagle who wrote (254061)	5/10/2002 1:58:05 PM
From: KLP	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

rich....don't know what school system you came from...BUT Stalin and Mao were both Communists....not 'rightwing' BUT rather "Leftists" Looked these up for you .....both types of political belief bring severe hardship to the people. In my opinion, both are a mirror image of each other. And both are forms of government that most US citizens will strive to avoid at ALL costs! >>>>>>>>Chinese Communist and first leader of the People's Republic of China. Mao was born to a peasant family in Shaoshan, a village in Hunan Province. He was still a student when the revolution of 1911-1912 overthrew the Manchu government and made China a republic. While he was employed as a library worker at the National University in Beijing (Peking) in 1918, Mao became attracted to the ideas of Communism. In 1921, Mao and 11 other people founded the Chinese Communist Party in Shanghai. The Communists joined forces with Sun Yat-sen's Kuomintang (Nationalist Party) in the effort to unite China. But distrust between the Communists and Chiang Kai-shek, who became Nationalist leader after Sun's death in 1925, soon led to warfare between the two groups. Mao and other Communist leaders led small bands to Jiangxi province in 1928. By 1931, that province had become Chiang's chief target. He began a series of "extermination campaigns" that nearly wiped the Communists out. In 1934, Mao led the Communists to Shaanxi (Shensi) province, in what is called The Long March. The 6,000-mile (9,700-kilometer) march lasted over a year and welded the survivors into a tightly-knit group under Mao's leadership. Japan had invaded Manchuria in 1931, and launched full-scale war against China in 1937. The Communists and Nationalists joined in an uneasy alliance until World War II ended in 1945. As the Nationalist armies were driven inland during the war, Mao organized guerrilla warfare to spread Communism. By 1945, the Communists controlled areas populated by nearly 100 million Chinese. In 1946, fighting between Communists and Nationalists began in Manchuria. The Communists gained control of China by October 1949, and the Nationalists withdrew to Taiwan. Mao quickly allied himself with Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Union, following Stalin's example closely. With Stalin's permission, Mao sent Red Chinese troops into North Korea in 1951 to aid Kim Il Sung attempt to defeat South Korea. Meanwhile, in domestic affairs, Mao started collectivized farms in five-year programs similar to Stalin's, the most famous of which were "The Great Leap Forward". During the late 1960's, Mao initiated the Cultural Revolution to re-energize the Revolution and stamp out "revisionist" resistance. During the 1960's, as well, Mao ended China's alliance with the USSR during the Sino-Soviet Split. This split came because of Nikita Khrushchev's de-Stalinization efforts, efforts which Mao saw as counter-revolutionary. Mao died after a number of strokes in 1976. After his reign, many of his efforts to collectivize were ended by later Chinese leaders, who were more pro-capitalist. These capitalists included Deng Xiaoping and Jiang Zemin. When certain pro-Mao factions of the Chinese population wanted to end the capitalist corruption at Tienanmen Square, Deng's troops massacred them in 1989. geocities.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>>>>>>>>A Critique of Communism and The Individualist Alternative (continued) Before one can get into an intelligent criticism of anything, one must begin by defining one's terms. "Anarchism", according to the Encyclopaedia Britannica dictionary, is "the theory that all forms of government are incompatible with individual and social liberty and should be abolished." It further says that it comes from the Greek roots "an" (without) and "archos" (leader).* As for "communism", it is "any social theory that calls for the abolition of private property and control by the community over economic affairs." To elaborate on that definition, communists of all varieties hold that all wealth should be produced and distributed according to the formula "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"</bI and that the administrative mechanism to control such production and distribution should be democratically organised by the workers themselves (i.e. "workers' control"). They further insist that there should be no private ownership of the means of production and no trading of goods except through the official channels agreed upon by the majority. With rare exceptions, communists of all varieties propose to realise this ideal through violent revolution and the expropriation of all private property. 216.239.39.100 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ************ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fascism (noun) First appeared 1921 1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition 2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control -- fascist (noun or adjective), often capitalized -- fascistic (adjective), often capitalized -- fascistically (adverb), often capitalized -- richard (zpub@sirius.com), March 27, 1998 216.239.39.100 The dictionary definition is simple; it refers to a government that is "forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism". Death camps and vitriolic anti-Semitism may be a part of a fascist regime, as in the case of Nazi Germany, but it is not necessarily so; see the Franco and Mussolini regimes 216.239.39.100 For many other definitions of Fascism... ad.doubleclick.net