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Politics : America Under Siege: The End of Innocence -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (16329)	6/11/2002 10:07:25 AM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

chin, chin, chin the more you say the more silly you make yourself out to be. Here is your original post that I think was meant to be an insult...." You know I always wondered why some of these American kids convert to Islam? I think it is the love of cloth. I mean the men put cloth on their heads, the women hide their faces behind cloth. And off course there is the lure of having 4 wives which I guess is the motivating force.".... Message 17584618 Then you say..." Lorne, to say that a man's lustful desire is an insult to women is a very convoluted way of thinking."..... You are saying that one of the reasons men join the muslims is because they are lustful toward women and can't control themselves so they join a group that permits them to have four wives...some as young as 8 and 9 years old. you said...." What has it got to do with a woman when a man has the desire he has?".... IMO when that desire gets out of control and becomes a desire to own and have absolute control of another human being ( women ) then it has a lot to do with a woman and her life. you said..." In my opinion, making a big deal about religion is itself a sign of weakness."..... When that religion is over a billion strong and is being used as a weapon to murder innocent people then IMO it is a sign of weakness to not confront this threat to the civilized world. Your turn.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (16329)	6/11/2002 12:28:27 PM
From: Investor Clouseau	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

Besides if converting to Muslim is weak, what do you call who become born again Christians, Jehovah's witness etc. I had some Christian crusaders come to my door the other day. IC

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (16329)	6/11/2002 4:55:34 PM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

Chinu. You said....." Lorne, to say that a man's lustful desire is an insult to women is a very convoluted way of thinking. What has it got to do with a woman when a man has the desire he has?"..... It appears that you are having some troubles explaining muslim sex matters to an infidel like me. Perhaps the following will make things easier for you to explain to others what you mean in the future. PEDOPHILIA : [NL] (1906): sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object. [Scriptural Evidence] Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64: Sahih Bukhari [the most venerated and authentic Islamic source] Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). Mongomerry Watts states: "Muhammed seemed to have felt a SPECIAL TENDERNESS towards children." The Moral Standard Muslims look upto, Prophet Mohammad : " ... Sounds like child molestation to me. It does not appear to me that the founder of Islam was a man of peace or good moral character. " - Anonymous. Muslims Practising Islam : Compilation of Ishaq b. Mansur al-Kasaj, ... found in Chapters on Marriage and Divorce, translated by Spectorsky, in the ruling that a woman "IS OF AGE WHEN SHE HAS REACHED HER NINTH YEAR !" " Two iraqi men, aged 28 amd 34, who live in lincoln, nebraska, married two iraqi girls, aged 13 and 14, in a private Islamic ceremony attended by family and friends. The two men have been arrested, charged with the sexual assault of a child and could be sentenced to 50 years of prison because the marriage age in nebraska is at least 17 years of age. Their attorney argued that the men didn't know about the law and that they were merely following their religious custom of courtship and marriage. Do they really do such things in today's Iraq? " - Abdul Abdi " Inspired By Islam (What the most famous cleric has to say): From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990 : A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However he should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girls sister. [...] It is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven. homa.org