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To: ManyMoose who wrote (264124)6/15/2002 2:24:44 PM
From: MSI  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
Thanks, I'll get it.

re: Some times I wonder if we deserve good politicians. We tend to make Big Macs out of them

Yes ! We need them! We need some public servants with at least the integrity of some of the thoughtful posters on this thread. The machinery of politics grinds people up, pays them well, supports them in a little coocoon of PR flaks and ass-kissers, and props them in front of the paid-off media. I've seen it up close and personal.

What is needed are those who actually believe in public service. I don't even care what their politics are, right/left etc., just a sincere desire to help the Republic for their term. Instead we have a Weasel Factory, funded by business and spook money, spitting out pre-planned position papers by pundits for paralized pols.

Right now, it's the "every man for himself" rule in Washington, and "get out before the next investigation". No one has any historical perspective on what it means to be a civic representative. That debate has been stolen from us by the media, and is only left in books, which no one reads anymore.



To: ManyMoose who wrote (264124)6/15/2002 2:34:42 PM
From: MSI  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
Addendum: if constant open debates were allowed, things would change. As it is, debates are highly managed, constantly interrupted, and troublemakers like Ruppert and Nader kept out by the rampant elitism.

We had even more elitism in The Founding, but debate kept everyone relatively honest.

It's the media. Even CSPAN, the last bastion of public weirdness, did not air the Michael Ruppert Press Club event last Monday. That would have been one hell of an explosive debate. And will be eventually, but resistance to alternate POV is intense throughout the media, and it is well known the awesome attacks brought to bear on any politician who dares to talk freely.

Some (like me) think the awkward Ashcroft press release, all the way from Russia, on the late and bogus "dirty bomber" was a last-ditch attempt to remove the Ruppert conference from national attention, since there was not reason to announce it on that day, it could have been earlier or later, and certainly would have been more fitting if he were in the country. Even Wolfowitz said it was "loose talk".

Things like that keep coming up.



To: ManyMoose who wrote (264124)6/15/2002 3:04:51 PM
From: Frederick Smart  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
Dave....

>>The Franklin biography I'm reading is called "The First American" by H.W. Brands. It's very well written and well researched. He fills in blanks by reasoned supposition. The book was a Pulitzer finalist.
Some times I wonder if we deserve good politicians. We tend to make Big Macs out of them.

When are we going to get accomplished, sense-making individuals like that again in public life?>>

In it's current manifestation, our "country tis of thee" is a massive criminal enterprise masquarading as truth.

I have said this before on this board: President Bush will be THE LAST President of this corrupt version of this federal corporate gold-fringed flag "United States of muliltary industrial political/religious/corporate bought paid and sold for Amerika."

It's ONE MASSIVE FRAUD!!

Period.

Done.

That's it.

And there is no sense fighting it. For it's finished, over, done with. For THE TRUTH is FREE!! And it's already "out there" being freely received and shared with more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more individuals all over this wonderful world of ours.

I chose to see and proclaim a massive, massive, massive, massive, massive, massive outbreak of truth, peace and incredible trust being received and shared by individuals all over this incredible world our Lord made for us to enjoy.

I chose to see a massive, massive, massive, massive, massive outbreak of connected, threaded, supported trust and risk and service between and among more and more and more and more and more and more INDIVIDUALS who will freely chose to be FREE and share this sense of FREEDOM and energy and light and love - which comes direct from our one Lord god in Heaven - with others.

Mankind's control-distrust claim, blame, shame black hole matrix - which is nothing more than a massive PONZI SCHEME -is coming unglued all over our wonderful world. The spirits from hell that have hidden out in these dark spiriutal caves breathing their smoke, fire and fear into the minds, hearts and souls of individuals no longer have any more NEW places to hide or expand.

I expect this corrupt system to bring on massive, massive, massive, massive inflation over the next 2-3 years. I expect the stock market to free fall from here on out - bottoming out somewhere well below the 2500 to 3000 range.

The ONLY thing this corrupt system can do is ONE thing: EXTORT the world with more TERROR. And I expect this terror to come in all shapes and sizes and hit in every conceivable way and in every conceivable corner of our world. This is the insanity of these spirits from hell which know that their world is being exposed and shut down by our one Lord God in heaven who I personally know and proclaim as Jesus Christ Lord.

The 1260 day cycle as written in Revelations 11 began on April 24, 2002. We are heading for a claim, blame and shame clearing point at the Feast of Trumpets on October 4-5, 2005 which will complete the 14,000 day cycle which began on 19670607 which is when Jerusalem was taken over by Israel.

The true Jews and sons of Israel who stand for peace and justice while loving others as they would have others love them will be saparated from these control-distrust hate monsters that are trying to claim, blame and destroy this world from any and all quarters.

For "sides" don't exist. We are all brothers! We are all called to be part of the same family from the same ONE End from which emmanates the same ONE Truth which is supported by the energy, light and love of our one Lord God in heaven which is the spiritual cornerstone and bedrock of our universe and all creation.

It's time.

It's time for this madness to end.

But the vortex of this black hole will kick off a huge destructive tornado before the gates of hell are shut down by our Lord for good.

119293!!



To: ManyMoose who wrote (264124)6/15/2002 3:52:38 PM
From: Raymond Duray  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 769667
 
ALASKA HEAT

Dave,

Thought you might have an interest in this article about global warming and Alaska:

nytimes.com