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To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (15101)	6/20/2002 3:21:24 PM
From: TigerPaw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

he might get it some day. It's not a very good idea to make policy on speculation, especially if you cannot make corrections if your speculation turns out to be wrong. You could also speculate that Mason will turn out to write a poem that inspires would be killers to nonviolence, after all if you are speculating it doesn't have to conform to much in the way of facts. I heard an interview with family members of some of McVeigh's victims. His death didn't seem to make their lives much better much less anyone elses. His death only leads some people to speculate upon who else should be killed, which is the type of thinking that probably led Timmy to his crime in the first place. TP

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (15101)	6/20/2002 8:30:59 PM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

, head of the Final Solution. They kidnapped him, brought him back to Israel, tried him, and executed him for genocide. Were they wrong? I think you mean did he deserve it. If you meant that, then they weren't wrong. The question would be, did he deserve to get off so easy, in fact. But the relevance of that question to executing individuals who are mental children (have you answered about chronological ones yet?) isn't clear to me. In fact, I stipulate that imo a lot of people "deserve" to be executed, in a sense. (I'm putting philosophical determinism aside here, lol.) But that there are too many reasons to choose another punishment to make it a good idea to execute them. P.S. I knew a man very active in the anti-dp movement who would say, after pointing out such things as the unfairness amounting to a rigged lottery with which the dp is administered, "It's not about them, it's about us." I only half identify with that, actually. I like it, though. He was a mensch.