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To: jcky who wrote (34235)	7/12/2002 11:27:51 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

<< If Arik Sharon pulls any bullshit of that nature, I hope GW Bush has the balls to look him in the eye and tell him that if he does any such thing he will have to send in a vacuum cleaner brigade to collect what's left of the IAF from the Iraqi desert, and that his next air force will have to fly in paper airplanes, because we're not going to pay the bill for anything more. >> jcky, try to picture this scene. Colin Powell goes to Hosni Mubarak and tell him that it is very likely that Israel will shell Cairo, but for the sake of the regional alliance and his $2 billion in aid, he must just suck it up and make no response. How many milleseconds do you think it would take before Mubarak threw him out of his office and told him to go f--k himself? Why do you expect Israel to perform acts of self-abnegation and self-endangerment that nobody would ever consider asking of any other country? And before you answer, 'because we guarantee to bail Israel out', remember that we have bailed the Arabs out of the consequences of their foolish wars, more than once. We stopped the 1973 as soon as Israel had begun to win it, and made them hand back the Egyptian territory they had taken, so that Egypt could actually convince itself that it had won the war (the Arabs are excellent at this form of face-saving self-delusion). So why don't we expect Egypt to obey us at least as much as Israel?

To: jcky who wrote (34235)	7/14/2002 11:33:41 AM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Unlike the first invasion of Iraq in which there was a clear threat to our national interest (that black stuff buried in the sand), this current "planned" invasion makes very little logistical or political sense. We certainly don't have the same level of commitment or endorsement from our European allies, and there is plenty of ambivalence in this country disguised under the pretense of patriotism. You may disagree, but it is fairly clear that WMDs will inexorably flow from Iraq to AQ, if they haven't already. If that is not a clear threat to our national interest, I can't think of one that would be. A dirty nuke or a small nuclear device exploded anywhere near Wall St. would cause tremendous havoc to securities markets. The political problem Bush faces is leading an oblivious population into the notion that it is absolutely critical to neutralize Saddam as soon as possible. The Palestinian problem is a sideshow when compared to the threat to the US posed by Saddam. It will naturally be a part of the calculus. However, the immediate threat to the US needs to be addressed.