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To: SOROS who wrote (96558)	7/20/2002 6:10:05 PM
From: sylvester80	Respond to of 99280

I don't know what's worse SOROS? A paid crook or a womanizer? Cause Harken, Enron, Haliburton and the other criminal morons this administration has, go a lot deeper than up Monica's dress. I'd rather have a good president with a big d%#k rather a stupid one that's a crook and is bought and paid for. I'm a registered republican and all I can say now is... give me Clinton anyday over this bozo. In less than 2 years he managed to destroy everything in his path and make the whole world hate us. At least Clinton was a lot more moderate than this bozo who got elected by the thinest of margins by... judges. Sheesh...

To: SOROS who wrote (96558)	7/20/2002 6:18:21 PM
From: sylvester80	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 99280

Moral decline always leads nations to ruin. Bush reminds me of those evangelists who were preaching the word of God by day and stealing money by night. And after the death of more than 5000 innocent civilians in Afganistan and the continued blood shed in the middle east, moral is the last thing these clueless right wing idiots in the white house should be talking about. We have a clueless war monger in the white house who doesn't give a crap about Americans right here at home but cares more about his big oil Texas buddies. DISGUSTING! And even more disgusting for me cause I was stupid enough to be fooled by this clueless bozo and his V.P lies. Enough said.

To: SOROS who wrote (96558)	7/20/2002 6:21:07 PM
From: nspolar	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 99280

Soros, you said, [Clinton made it "okay" to lie, cheat, and steal...] How do you rank: 1. Read my lips George Bush Sr.? 2. Ollie North and his favorite paper shredder Fawn Hall .... and oh didn't he more or less report directly to Ronald Reagan? And weren't these guys breaking laws passed by Congress, dealing drugs with Noreiga, ...? Oh and didn't Ronnie and wrecking crew run up more debt than any other president in history, by far, that maybe helped fuel the following boom? 3. Jimmie Carter and Gerald Ford - now there are two I can't seem to come up with much on. Maybe they had a few morals, yes morals not morels. 4. Let me see about the next one .. oh ya that was the "I'm not a crook!" guy. 5. And what about LBJ. If you read your Vietnam history I think you might find he sunk some ships in the Tonkin Gulf that were rightfully inside their boundaries, just to add fuel to the war fires. 6. Well maybe you get the point by now ... and that is this started long before Billy Boy. You remain, somewhat politically confused imho.

To: SOROS who wrote (96558)	7/20/2002 6:57:03 PM
From: Frederick Langford	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 99280

Geez, all Clinton did was get caught having an affair. Many other highly respected Presidents did the same thing. Sure he lied about a question that should never have been ask. I wonder how many of you on the net have done the same thing or at minimum, lusted like President Carter admitted. Would you have told the public the truth with your wife and child listening? I truly doubt it. I did not vote for Gore, and I'm a middle of the road moderate who would probably vote for McCain, but this BS about Clinton is more overdone than any hype in the stock market over the past 5 years. Fred

To: SOROS who wrote (96558)	7/20/2002 8:44:52 PM
From: nsumir81	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 99280

Soros..you REMAIN..CLUELESS..I posted this elsewhere and will repeat it here.. lol..anyone who thinks ONE person can have that much influence on anything and is either ready to praise or criticize that one person for the success or failure of any enterprise is ultra naive imo. Just like some biz mag lauding this CEO for this and trashing someone else for some downturn in sales. That is akin to the monarchy where the king is given all credit. Or none at all. ..belief in an opinion is blinding and unhealthy the "morals" changed even before Clinton took office. Look at the way popular TV changed before Clinton came in. Why even the book "Sex" was released before Clinton got elected. So was Sr. Bush responsible for it? The S&L crisis and remember Keating and Milken and Siegel and Boesky and Neal Bush? So were Sr. Bush and Reagan collectively or individually responsible for all that those folks did? Or the birth of MTV that motivated an entire generation and still does with increasingly outrageous stuff (hardly any music videos last time I checked)? It is a process of evolution. That evolves (not necessarily improves all the time) with time..this corruption, decay, rebuilding. Idiots still cling on to something, that ONE thing that helps THEM in explaining all the evils and good things in the world. Ah if it were only so simple. Clinton (or any other President for that matter) in, things are bad. Folks become decadent and morally corrupt. Some other president comes in promising and exuding moral uprightness, and people (and CEOs of all people) change. Voila ! Overnight ! or in 4 years. Simplicity is good. Not always though. Problem is folks want to believe in something. Not because that is the truth. Because it gives them comfort and explains the unexplained. And they can then blame someone else..find a single-point contact or source for ills and cures. Just my opinion..of course !

To: SOROS who wrote (96558)	7/20/2002 9:41:39 PM
From: SirRealist	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 99280

Clinton made it "okay" to lie, cheat, and steal. He absolved the conscience of the nation, and now everyone will pay for it economically and socially. Moral decline always leads nations to ruin. The only President who I never saw caught in a lie in my lifetime was Carter. Clinton did not make cheating okay. He was a cheater before he ran and it was publicized, so it was okay before he got there. Steal? Greenspan was directly handling monetary policy. The market would have performed the same if Snoop Dogg was Prez. And blaming Clinton or any Prez as the cause is just silly, it seems to me. He was spawned by a culture and media and represented it, not created it. You give him to much criticism as a legitimizer; one could make the same argument that those with the zeal and gazillions to get him at any cost were the legitimizers. And insofar as the moral decline ending the empire argument goes, I always found difficulty determining the one mortal authority whose morals were the exactly right ones. And found that it was a common event in wealthy societies for self-gratification to lead to benign neglect, not immorality per se. Lots of successful countries exist for centuries on lies and other transgressions of the moral code. Finally, if our empire crumbles, mebbe it's just time for another country to rise to prominence. Perhaps a Middle Eastern or African or Latin American one where the people were born into repression and poverty 235 years ago. Like in musical chairs, maybe it's their turn. -Kevin Hayden