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To: hdl who wrote (184034)7/27/2002 4:25:33 PM
From: Tommaso  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 436258
 
>>> Well, certainly the market cannot look much worse than it has over the
past several weeks, Yesterday morning, the decline of the Standard & Poor's 500 Index surpassed the horrible
1973-74 bear market, before posting a strong afternoon rally<<<

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The S&P 500 declined by 54% --from 120 to 65-- in 1973-74.

If it declined that much now, it would be down to about 790.

Now Siegel is closer than I thought he was, since the S&P did close at 852, but I think it has another 8% to drop before it equals 1974.

But even at a level of 790, the P/E and yield of the S&P would be much higher than in 1974. It has dropped in the last two years from a much higher overvaluation.

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Lots more room to drop, IMO.



To: hdl who wrote (184034)7/27/2002 4:58:57 PM
From: XBrit  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 436258
 
Siegel is pissing me off. The crucial point of his article depends on one throw-away sentence:

<<Furthermore, my research suggests that the proper P/E level for today's market, with its low transactions costs, low inflation, and favorable tax rates for capital gains, should be in the low 20s, not 15.>>

This sounds to me like some variant of the Fed model. I am deeply dubious of his underlying assumption... anybody have a link to where he explains this magic "research" of his? Was it maybe funded by Morgan Stanley or somebody?



To: hdl who wrote (184034)7/27/2002 6:56:06 PM
From: Win-Lose-Draw  Respond to of 436258
 
interesting article. dividends are not a panacea, either, though. last night i was looking at the financials of a company that seemed to be paying out tons of divdends. at first glance. at second glance i noticed that they were paying out more in dividends than they were generating in operating income. not just for one quarter, but EVERY quarter.

how did they do this?

by issuing a quarter-billion dollars worth of either preferred or warrants. every quarter.

yikes.