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To: Jeff who wrote (5044)8/10/2002 7:06:06 PM
From: SOROS  Respond to of 30712
 
An Absence of Explanations
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It was another bizarre day for the financial markets. The market charts look more like a roller coaster with each passing day. Even the reporters on CNBC couldn't explain it. Floor traders seem puzzled by the familiar pattern of second half and final hour rallies in the stock market. The best explanation at the moment is that order books for stocks are extremely thin, so it is easy to move stock prices with concentrated buying in a few key select stocks. It was the financial stocks and oil that moved markets, but mainly financials.

The explanation given was the IMF bailout loan to Brazil. That was known yesterday. So why the market movement today? There was another major revelation at WorldCom. WorldCom said it has found another $3.3 billion in misreported financial results since 1999, bringing the total to $7.18 billion. Earnings for most companies have been poor and analysts are now lowering their estimates for profits and the stock market for the remainder of the year. Two major Wall Street firms are now predicting that the Fed will have to lower rates by another point by the end of the year.

So much for the second half recovery. It was complete fiction from the very beginning. Now the focus is on more rate cuts as a means to move the markets.

International Crisis = US Banking Crisis
The spectator show in the markets is camouflaging the real crisis in the international monetary system. Another major financial crisis is on the horizon in Latin America. This one is proving to be too big to ignore. It began in Argentina. It spread to Uruguay, and has now moved on to Brazil. Add to that the growing problems in Paraguay, and Bolivia. The dominoes continue to fall in a chain reaction in Latin America. But, the problem is not just in Latin America. There is a major crisis in the big New York Banks such as J.P. Morgan, and Citigroup. Citigroup has close to $13 billion in Brazilian loans. The bank lost $2.2 billion in Argentina. You add the bad corporate loans, to bad emerging market loans, to derivative problems and it isn't hard to see where this is going.

The IMF loans are only temporary. They are designed to get the big boys out. Brazil has close to half a trillion in debt. Next to the US, their debt levels are nearly impossible to repay. While bank runs have occurred in Argentina, Uruguay, and Paraguay, they have yet to start in Brazil. That will come soon. Right now the big money is exiting fast before the banks close their doors. The big money is hoping the IMF loans will buy them more time to exit before Brazil goes bust. Brazil's government debt has quintupled since the peso crisis in 1994. Debt payments have been made only by additional borrowing. Everyone knows those loans aren't going to be repaid. It now remains a question of who gets stuck with them? That's where the big banks on are on the hook. It is also why money is fleeing the country before the financial system implodes.

Brazil's central bank has said it won't impose capital controls. When bankers say they won't do something, it usually means the opposite of what they say. Both presidential candidates are talking about repudiating Brazil's debts. That could mean problems for US and European banks. The IMF is there to put a band-aid to buy the big banks time.

It all seems so surreal to see all of this unfold. We have a major accounting fraud scandal, the possibility of multiple country defaults, a weakening US economy, and we have late stock market rallies. With all this news? Even the financial media seems at lost and is having difficulty explaining it.

What I suspect is happening, given the declining volume and the hazy nature of market rally explanations, is that John Q. is slowly heading for the exit gates. Nobody is buying this anymore. The market has become much too erratic and unexplainable. Down 700 points one week. Up 700 points the next few days. The stock market has become far too schizophrenic to engender any newfound buying on part of the public. They are hanging on and waiting for the moment to jump ship.

Path Towards Depression?
Authorities must be burning the midnight oil in an effort to dig their way out of the worst storm since the Great Depression. Their very actions now ensure that we are heading for another one every bit as bad as the last one by the very actions they are now taking. Seeing this unfold now shows we have learned nothing from history. A reading of Murray Rothbard's "America's Great Depression" will show that we are making all the same mistakes:

Preventing or delaying debt liquidation by expanding credit even further.
Inflating even further, money supply is now growing at an annual rate of 10%.
Keeping wage rates high.
Keeping prices high--through tariffs.
Keeping consumption high and discouraging savings.
Subsidizing unemployment.
Read Rothbard and it isn't hard to see where this is all going. Like the Perfect Storm, where three storms converged and joined forces for four straight days, with winds blowing constantly until 100 foot waves were formed, we are seeing the same today. The three storms, the economy, the stock market, and the currency market, are all converging to form that rare event. It is far easier to see the parallels now and reach a conclusion. A new chapter or epilogue to my Perfect Financial Storm is in the works. I thought I was finished, but now I more clearly see the shape of the storm forming. It will be unlike any storm we have seen before.

I spent a quiet day in the sun reading Rothbard's book with an eye on CNBC. I've always found economic history fascinating... especially when it provides you with a window into the future.

Reporting from the beach,

JP

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To: Jeff who wrote (5044)8/10/2002 11:54:49 PM
From: exp  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 30712
 
Jeff, if NAZ hits 1400 by Oct then drop to 700 will mean a

50% drop ... similarly, if SPX hits 950-1000 then drop to

600 will be a 40% drop ... once NAZ drops below 1000 they

will probably stop looking for a bottom ... same if SPX

drops below 700 ... these (almost inevitable) market drops

guarantee a recession, stagflation, gold panic buying ...

you name it ... i expect 10 year bond flashing under 4%

easy in that case ... maybe even 3.5% .... as the largest

US banks will be severely dented by Brazil collapse (100%

inevitable at this point) and by extension the rest of

Latin America's including Mexico...US stagflation/recession

will keep Japan down ... Nikkei going under 9000 ... this

will dent Southeast Asia in a major way ... Iraq war will

spike oil to $40-50 ... i could go on ... thing is this

scenario is all but inevitable at this point ... talk about

runnning out of bullets with US debt, deficit, Brazil,

Argentina etc. total collapse, Japan depression continuing,

Asia following Japan ... i wish i could be more optimistic

but frankly it's truly a perfect global financial storm

with no way out as al most everyone is in trouble

simultaneously

... that said i'll trade as usual long and short in a swing

fashion ...i do hold longs overnight ... same with

shorts ... as i only look at the charts from a short-term

point of view ... so my views are more of a theoretical

macro perspective and not necessarily affecting my

trades...

and, finally, i do expect the US housing bubble

to burst rather soon prolonging and deepening the

upcoming "consumer" recession

... should be interesting



To: Jeff who wrote (5044)8/11/2002 10:16:53 AM
From: t2  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 30712
 
Given the amount of shorting that the public is now doing, can that not alter your retrace scenario?
(meaning market bottoms out at a higher level and sooner)

Anyone have an idea whether shorting back in the early 1930s was as common as it is today?

btw--on the horizon is the baby boomers wanting to pull out money from the market for their retirement needs. The aging population could also be a big problem for the markets as a separate issue.



To: Jeff who wrote (5044)8/11/2002 12:53:37 PM
From: Boca_PETE  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 30712
 
Jeff: RE:(Reuters- "Big Risk if Bear Market Ends with Bang")

On the theory that it would not be in anyone's interest to see the dreadful risks pointed out in the below article come to fruition if the retrace goes to completion, do you see daBoyz having the power to bottom and turn this ship around before a complete bubble retrace occurs?

biz.yahoo.com

Saturday August 10, 3:52 pm Eastern Time

Reuters Business Report
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"Big Risk if Bear Market Ends with Bang" By Pierre Belec
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NEW YORK (Reuters) - Be careful what you wish for. You may get it.

A much-hyped "capitulation" or "selling climax" is widely expected to herald a stock-market recovery, but it could do just the opposite.

After more than 2-1/2 years of slow-motion wealth destruction, investors are getting fed up and want to see the end of this horrific bear market in stocks. Some are hoping for a snappy, V-shaped plunge followed by a spiffy rally.

While bear-market routs have been known to end with a bang, a bone-jarring finale to the current blood-letting would probably be a disaster.

"There is just too much stock in the hands of the public for this to occur," says Ray DeVoe, publisher of the DeVoe Letter. "There is over $4 trillion in stock mutual funds and the question about a V-shaped climax and recovery, if the public does decide to dump stocks, would run into the classic, 'sell to whom?"'

So the best thing that could happen in today's nasty investment environment is for the market to continue its long, drawn-out decline, interrupted by sharp rallies, until it finally develops a sustainable bottom. In other words, the worst thing that could happen is for investors to panic and throw in the towel. END WITH A WHIMPER

"The final stage may not necessarily be a sharp selloff that clears the air," DeVoe says. "Rather it will be complete exhaustion, followed by (investor) contempt for stocks as an investment vehicle."

Since the bubble burst in March 2000, stocks have behaved in a way that is reminiscent of the 1973-74 market.

Back then, the Standard & Poor's 500 index collapsed by 45 percent, which is approximately the size of the current market slump. The S&P's descent began in January 1973 and the bottom was reached in December 1974 after an agonizing 23 months' slide.

But the hammering didn't end with a bang in the fourth quarter of 1974. Instead it was a whimper of a finish after people got sick and tired of losing money. The current slide has so far lasted 29 months.

Worth recalling is public participation in the market in the 1970s was nowhere near as massive as in 2002. At the height of the stock buying frenzy in the late 1990s, half of American households had a stake in the stock market.

"It is not really a question of how much further the stock market must decline to reach that bottom," DeVoe says. "Instead I think it is more a matter of time until that exhaustion sets in."

Bill Valentine, president of Valentine Ventures LLC, says investors with medium- to long-term investment horizons should stop whining about how much cash they've lost and focus on the market's recovery.

"There are no guarantees but if history is any guide -- and it always is -- the recovery will be shorter than most people expect," he says. "Too often, bear markets are considered for the magnitude of their slide. Rarely is much thought given to the nature and timing of bear-market recoveries."

In 1973-74, it only took the S&P 21 months to bounce back and set a new high by September 1976.

By comparison, bear markets in 1946-47 and 1976-78, brought much smaller losses -- 12 percent and 17 percent, respectively -- but recoveries were awfully long in getting traction. The 1946-47 market rallied to a new peak by July 1950, a "dead zone" for investors that dragged on for 38 months. The bounce to a new high after 1976-78 came 35 months later in January 1981.

SIZE DOES NOT MATTER

"The average time it took for bear markets to recover since 1945 is 21 months long," Valentine says. "It also tells you that the recovery period is not a function of how long the market went into a slide phase. Just because we're down a lot doesn't mean we won't be setting new highs in the next few years."

There's a tremendous sense of hopelessness on Wall Street. The buy-on-dip mentality and other market tactics, which had worked wonderfully in the past, are not working. A lot of people have lost faith in the market, and they're questioning the wisdom of the time-tested theory that it's best to be fully invested in stocks.

But it's all part of the shifting function of investors' perception.

Many investors may now be at the third stage of the typical range of emotions after the bull market turned into a growling bear.

Back in the roaring 1990s, there was tremendous hope as stocks soared. Then came the greed as people bought stocks blindly. The predominant mood now is of fear, and the last stage will be despair.

"These market stages are certainly no secret, but it is amazing how many traders and investors fail to recognize and assess the stages and to make plans to protect themselves or take advantage of an opportunity," says Dean Lundell, author of a fascinating book, "Sun Tzu's Art of War for Traders and Investors," (McGraw-Hill $19.95) (www.artofwar.com).

The question people should have been asking themselves during the speculative frenzy in technology stocks was, which stage is the market in and what can I do about it?

"First, people bought them with grand hopes. They saw them rise to incredible prices but became greedy and held on for more," Lundell says. "When the stocks started to trade down in price, people were fearful but still held on. Finally, when the pain of further loss came about, they despaired, capitulated and sold at prices nowhere near where they had been."

Indeed, investors may have reached the point of despair.

A survey by the Gallup Organization in the first two weeks of July found that only 20 percent of investors expected the Dow Jones industrial average, currently around 8,700 points, to claw back to 11,000 within the next year. Seventy-one percent of investors thought it would take longer for the blue-chip index to recover to that level while 4 percent believed the Dow would never get back to that magic number.

For the week, the Dow climbed 5.2 percent to 8,745, the S&P 500 gained 5.1 percent to 909 and the Nasdaq rose 4.7 percent to 1,306.

(Pierre Belec is a freelance writer. Any opinions in the column are solely those of Mr. Belec.)

P