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To: AC Flyer who wrote (22578)8/12/2002 9:19:37 PM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
Hello ACF Mike, we are still talking at the cocktail party after all:0) Wonderful. Now, here are some observations:

<<Well, Jay, I am enlightened ... I understand TnT>> No you are not, and you may possibly do.

I observe the world from HK, the most flexible of world economies, and intricately tied to just about every twitch of same economies. I have said this many times in the past, and you have just realized it?!

Should HK lose relevancy for China, then the reform is lost, and the world will become a darker place.

<<meeting with several of my Shanghai-area suppliers. When I joke with them that in 20 years China will catch the US in economic output, they reply, "no - 50 years maybe - we have many problems." They don't elaborate on the nature of the "problems,">>

My in-laws friends and in-laws' younger siblings have said in the past, 'my child is not so smart, he only got into Stanford', whereby my in-laws would respond 'our children were lucky, and attended Harvard'. So, A hint for Mike, your suppliers are joking with you.

<<I continue to find evidence that, outside of the depression in telecomm and technology, the US economy (service sector, automobiles, housing, construction) is functioning well. No panic, no melt, real incomes increasing, prices of just about every consumable/consumer good falling>>

And economic cycle is so far short-circuited.

Try an experiment at home: take light bulb out of socket, place copper penny in same socket, replace bulb, connect explosive fuse line between light fixture and gas tank, step back, and click on switch.

What cannot be, cannot. Money is being siphoned from the home equity to fund you know what.

<<but tremendous leaps in prosperity are made from this kind of price deflation. That's the big picture>> In the long term yes. In the short term, I am looking at it everyday, riding on the bus.

Chugs, Jay



To: AC Flyer who wrote (22578)8/13/2002 1:26:03 AM
From: LLCF  Respond to of 74559
 
<Well, Jay, I am enlightened. >

Not yet:

"For one who is free from views there are no ties, for one who is delivered by understanding there are no follies; but those who grasp after views and philosophical opinions, they wander about in the world annoying people."-The Buddha

DAK



To: AC Flyer who wrote (22578)8/13/2002 7:59:38 PM
From: Maurice Winn  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
<Well, Jay, I am enlightened. Your projections of US economic cataclysm spring from your own sad experience on Freedom Rock. HK has lost its relevance, it's raison d'etre. Perhaps you are concerned that the easy prosperity of the last decade is gone forever. Now I understand TnT. >

Careful ACF. Don't leap to conclusions then base your own financial position on those flimsy foundations. I detect some Californian psycho-babble in your statement.

I have wondered about that influence on Jay for a long time, but people are much more than a product of their past. I'm a prisoner, if I'm not careful, of an overly optimistic Kiwiland baby-boomer alls-right-with-the-world and if not, it soon will be, mindset.

Perhaps if we mix the 6 billion mindsets in a bucket, then measure the resulting spectra, we'll end up about right. In a globalizing non-genocidal world, that might not be far from the truth.

Check your premises,
Mqurice



To: AC Flyer who wrote (22578)8/16/2002 11:35:20 PM
From: TobagoJack  Respond to of 74559
 
Hello ACF Mike, and a good morning to you as well.

Message 17887820
<<Well, that is very unlike you, Jay. Taking a stand on an issue, I mean. Making a prediction. There's just so much risk in taking a fixed position, doncha' think?>>

Answer: Not really. Yes, but so what?

Message 17887833
<<Perhaps a little ego peekin' through there, Jay? "If only they'd listened to me." Do you think maybe those people might be, could just be.......mindless zombies? Or did Alan Greenspan make them do it? Whaddya think?>>

Answer: I think you are getting upset ;0)

How will my weekend be? The fact that you didn’t ask is all the better for my post:0)

(a)Write note to ACF Mike and try to cheer him up;

(b)Take charge of in-laws’ dog Gobi, an one year old intelligent and playful golden retriever and cocker spaniel mut (maid’s day off and in-laws mucking about town, and my wife will go to jazz dance class and business meetings);

(c)Respond to SI threader’s business schema;
(d)Load “Return to Castle Wolfenstein” PC game – get to flame-throw Nazis;

(e)Wait for Utah/Hawaii/Philippines based buddy to show up and do networked gaming, and experience the many ways to die;

(f)Lunch, game some more;
(g)Swim, game still more;

(h)Talk doom with buddy (he is selling off ranches in Utah, carving up ranches in Hawaii for partial sale, selling off part of pearl farm in the Philippines, and buying gold in HK);

(i)Wait for the wives to show up, then do Japanese dinner at home;
(j)Watch Lord of the Rings DVD;
(k)Sunday boat trip with invitees from Women in Media Club of HK and others;

(l)Talk gloom with ex-British commando pal who leads a large cosmetics company in Asia (his business is actually strengthening);

(m)Lead 5-6 hot pants and sneakers-around-furry-balled-socks clad young women on trek across Lama Island, swim at a isolated beach, climb a mountain, into the center of Sea Food Village, and Party Up Chow Down (“PUCD”) on plain boiled shrimp, deep fried squid rings, steamed sea scallop on black bean sauce, steamed Garoupa topped with scallion and seasoned with soy sauce, crab stir fried in ginger sauce, a few beers; and

(n)Nap on rocking boat to Chung Hom Kok Bay, swim to shore, and nap some more.

I adore deep recessions and shallow depressions, for the time they allow one for all the really important activities of life, such as parties, mating, listening to music, appreciate a long movie, trying out new ideas, and out surviving the next guy, buy his goodies cheap, and tell him why he is wrong, as he is being wrong, and again after he is done being wrong ;0)

Like it says so right here:
Member 7255592

I believe:
“Volatility = friend, Crisis = partner, Lonely path = right way, Survive = to fight another day”

… and I had learnt from:
“Crash 87, TianAnMen 89, Redchip 94, Asian Crisis 97-98, Softbank 99, Nasdaq Crisis 2000, WTC 2001, False Recovery 2002”

and I always reveal my position:
Message 8679837
April 2nd, 1999

… try to pass on my observations:
Message 11621706
October 17th, 1999

… announce my moves as they occur and intentions as they spring to mind:
Message 11703719
October 26th, 1999

… shout “fire” when appropriate:
Message 12355669
December 22nd, 1999

… and pass on my learning:
Message 14981596
Dec 9th 2000
“In a real excruciatingly grinding bear market … will trade at a 50% discount to its NAV … 50-80% downward ride from current levels …Yahoo!s can go down by 50-70% still ... I am as energetic in pointing to the downside now as I was with the upside earlier. Stock pricing is probably 35% fundamentals, 35% psychology, 15% market, and 15% technicals. Fundamentals have collapsed, perception of fundamentals has sharply worsened, psychology is changing for the worse, market volatile, technicals ruled by the dwindling braves. I have no interest in fighting, and just want to cower in the corner, with shields up, machine cannons at the ready.

Be careful, and think about unloading during the bounce up”

Now, let me tell you about the three great forces in play in the world today:

(a) Manufacturing deflation will pulverize profit, investment incentive, and animal spirit,

(b) Service inflation will destroy savings, make monetary hard assets go up relative to monetary soft obligations, and

(c) Geopolitical and trade conflict will be, net net, more bad news, perpetually weighing on psychology, anchoring greed to fear, street mobbing the politicians, upsetting the investing electorates, producing wild volatility while going downward and then staying down, for a time.

You are free to hope that my observations from Hong Kong are relevant only to Money Rock, but you would be wrong. That is my position.

Have you tried to observe this from Boston, as I have been from Hong Kong? The articles could have been talking about Hong Kong, Thailand, Taiwan, Korea, Japan, or, Rockford:

Message 17888576

Message 17888580

Of course you have, because you are a part of the mosaic of the planet-wide conflict, as am I a thread in the tapestry of global investing panic. You just chose to ignore the fact that forces relevant to me are also applicable to you. While I live in Hong Kong, my money is all over the map, still under my care, and some are in your neighborhood.

You have simply not yet, in Fleckenstein-speak, connected the dots. Let me help you. I just saw those zeros pass by overhead and they are coming towards you, loaded for bear:

Message 17883761

My latest disclosure of allocation:

Message 17888598

Chugs and PUCD, Jay