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To: Dayuhan who wrote (38730)	8/19/2002 8:58:38 PM
From: FaultLine	Respond to of 281500

Hi Steven Rogers, I've lived in the third world... nice post, thanks --k/fl

To: Dayuhan who wrote (38730)	8/19/2002 9:02:58 PM
From: kumar	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<worked in the aid industry, written about the aid industry, and observed it fairly carefully. I can tell you with some degree of certainty that all the aid, development teams, peace corps volunteers, and NGOs on earth will not do one iota of good in the absence of ...> 2 comments : - long as aid is seen as an 'industry', theres going to be pitfalls. - one does not have to think of 'aid' as governmental or 'large organizational' aid. A simple thing as 1 family financing education for 1 kid, helps that 1 kid aspire to a better life. That IMO is 'aid doing some good'. No need IMO, to get overwhelmed by the macro-picture. Aid on a micro level is quite useful to the receiver. cheers, kumar

To: Dayuhan who wrote (38730)	8/19/2002 9:15:37 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

all the aid, development teams, peace corps volunteers, and NGOs on earth will not do one iota of good in the absence of stable government, Who can reasonably disagree with that? But I think back on the last 12 years of wasted time spent "containing" Saddam, and can only wonder what might have been had we pushed the issue and overthrown Saddam. Btw, Ollie North, just reminded me of something I wanted to write the other day. The Europeans might not be backing the US because we may just find out that it was THEIR companies who were selling Saddam the technology to produce this stuff. That would be kind of embarrassing, to say the least. Hawk

To: Dayuhan who wrote (38730)	8/19/2002 9:41:16 PM
From: quehubo	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

<<will not do one iota of good in the absence of stable government, a functional legal system, and something approaching rational policy making. These have to come from inside; they cannot be imposed>> I agree and it seems the conditions you cite above cannot be found in any Arab or Muslim government. I have little hope they will learn as they continue along their road to self destruction. But strange as it is our weaknesses and theirs have us intertwined in a death spiral. Dont blame the government or big oil, US citizens still consider it a birth right to drive big gas guzzlers. We are willing to defend that right with the lives of our offspring. Maybe sometime we will realize the price is to high and that we have considerable power available to influence the suppliers of the product we love to waste. Our power to influence is through a very visible conservation effort.

To: Dayuhan who wrote (38730)	8/19/2002 11:48:22 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

These have to come from inside; they cannot be imposed...... I see no evidence that any serious plan for how to do this is being developed. Since we can't impose them, we really can't develop them, can we? We can take out Saddam, provide an atmosphere that allows Iraq to set up a stable Government, and make it clear to them that we will not tolerate another Dictator in power. That is about the extent of what we can do, and to expect more is Utopian, IMO.