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To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (579)	9/6/2002 2:51:40 AM
From: marcos	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1293

The russians were as imperialistic as anybody, from the tsars right on through to the commissars, no doubt about it, and when russians show up here defending that arrogance we shall take them to task for it .... hard to say to what extent this hegemonic tendency in them was augmented and stimulated by the US poking away at their perimeters, threatening them all those years, but i judge them to have had ambitions of empire, and they may still do But you cannot use this to justify a war against the vietnamese ... back while that war was being prosecuted it was known to be illogical, now in the light of subsequent events it is powerfully clear that the vietnamese held their own freedom and independence above all, that what old Ho said to Truman was in fact the case .... witness how they blew off the russians as soon as the colonisation threat from the US was beaten .... then, how they defended themselves against the red chinese ..... fascist, communist, whatever, it made no difference to them, just leave us alone to determine our own future, is what they were saying an hundred years ago, what they were saying in 1967, what they are saying now Interesting you bring up the Monroe doctrine just as i'd been typing on the domineering arrogance inherent in appropriation of the term 'american' .... upthread we've been talking about Víctor Jara, he was a friend of your fellow countryman Phil Ochs .... not, however, of your Nixons and Calleys and Reagans ... you see, latinos know full well at whom that 'big stick' gets swung Btw, my considered guess for Thomas' "mother country" is - Oregon -g-

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (579)	9/6/2002 9:43:26 AM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1293

I understood the situation full well. In that case, you didn't misstate, you actually lied. So the USSR was and wasn't imperialistic? The U.S. was brutally imperialistic in the Philippines. Does that mean the U.S. was imperialistic in fighting Nazi Germany in WWII? We promulgated the Monroe Doctirne almost 2 centuries ago. Partly to put a stop to the imperialism of your "mother country". I'm not talking about our policy of 2 centuries ago, and you know it. I'm talking about the last few decades - --- our terrorist war on the civilians of Nicaragua --- the death squad regimes we heavily supported --- our repeated overthrows of democratic governments Tom

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (579)	9/7/2002 2:06:11 AM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1293

We promulgated the Monroe Doctirne almost 2 centuries ago. Partly to put a stop to the imperialism of your "mother country". More accurately, take over the imperialist reins. I can understand perfectly well why a Canadian would want to keep the American imperialists out of their country. counterpunch.org This kind of bullshit is still an integral part of American foreign policy. And when newspapers report this to the American public, editors get fired. Tom