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To: JohnM who wrote (46458)9/23/2002 9:08:32 PM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 281500
 
well done until the last two paragraphs.

Yeah, you are right. The Author has no more use for the UN than I have. He should have proved his points or left them out. But he did a good job on giving 41's history with it, which was much more a "Rockerfeller Republican" one. I aways got a kick out of 41's "Anti-Abortion" position. It was obvious it was Political only. 41 was a moderate that went right to get elected. 43 is a conservative who went left.

It's interesting. 43 being more conservative than 41. 41 was raised "Eastern Establishment." 43 was raised "Texas." All that Texas Bar-B-Q, I guess.



To: JohnM who wrote (46458)9/24/2002 12:14:46 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 281500
 
Asking questions / Why assume that war must be waged?

Lead Editorial
Minneapolis Star-Tribune
Published Sep 24, 2002

What is it, exactly, that makes America a democracy? It isn't just the people's right to choose who will run the government. Unless properly watched, even elected leaders can turn into autocrats. No, what really assures democratic rule isn't just exercising one's vote but exercising one's voice. Only when citizens speak up do leaders feel obliged to heed the public will.

This fact must be kept in mind as U.S. leaders inch toward war with Iraq -- a war that the White House seems to consider essential. That the need has yet to be proved ought to matter to Congress and constituents alike. Yet few lawmakers and layfolk seem willing to demand that the Bush administration explain just why it makes sense to go after Saddam Hussein just now.

Well, some are willing. As Maureen Dowd notes on the opposite page, Minnesota Sen. Mark Dayton served as Donald Rumsfeld's chief challenger when the defense secretary stopped by the Senate last week. But things have come to a pretty pass when the junior senator from Minnesota stands virtually alone in questioning the wisdom of a mad rush to war. Too many of his fellow Americans seem to have swallowed whole the feeble proposition that toppling Iraq's pernicious regime is a holy American obligation -- a task beyond questioning.

But why are they swallowing? The world is full of dictators, more than a few of whom have their hands on venomous weapons. Americans who buy the line that Baghdad alone is especially worth bombing -- and that bombing is the only answer to Iraqi recalcitrance -- are forsaking their duty to ask questions:

Why Iraq? Why now? Can the United States effectively wage war on Iraq and root out Al-Qaida at the same time? Where's the real evidence for the necessity of a war on Iraq? How can we be sure what it will accomplish? What of the massive loss of life it could entail? Is the United States equipped to handle its aftermath? For that matter, why is this an American enterprise? If Iraq indeed poses a global threat, why not let the United Nations take the lead?

Sensible questions all, but who is asking them? Not congressional leaders. Indeed, most onlookers seem to regard the coming of war against Iraq as a foregone conclusion. But why must it be so? Why do so many Americans, who so prize their independence of thought, act like sheep when the White House mentions Iraq?

One sad casualty of Sept. 11 has been the concept that dissent is often a patriotic act. These days, challenging the White House has become tantamount to treason. But Americans can't go along with such nonsense. If spilling blood in Iraq is justified, the case must be proved against the strongest of challenges. Americans must express their every doubt, and the promoters of war must allay them. Only then can the first volley be launched. In a democracy, that's how the process works.

startribune.com



To: JohnM who wrote (46458)9/24/2002 1:03:49 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Gore Calls Bush's Policy a Failure on Several Fronts

By DEAN E. MURPHY
The New York Times
September 24, 2002

SAN FRANCISCO — Former Vice President Al Gore accused the Bush administration today of weakening the war on terrorism by turning the country's attention to Saddam Hussein. He also said the Congressional resolution on Iraq sought by President Bush was too broad and did not do enough to seek international support for a possible military strike.

"From the outset, the administration has operated in a manner calculated to please the portion of its base that occupies the far right, at the expense of the solidarity among all of us as Americans and solidarity between our country and our allies," Mr. Gore said.

Mr. Gore said that the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11 had yet to be avenged and that Mr. Bush's approach would make it more difficult to punish those who were responsible. He suggested that the administration had become distracted by Iraq because Mr. Hussein was an easier target than Al Qaeda.

Mr. Gore seemed careful not to minimize the threat posed by Mr. Hussein, at one point describing him as "an evil man." He pointed out that as a senator he supported the Gulf war resolution in 1991. But he harshly criticized Mr. Bush's willingness to go it alone against Iraq, especially since the war on terrorism was unfinished.

"It is impossible to succeed against terrorism unless we have secured the continuing, sustained cooperation of many nations," Mr. Gore said. "And here's one of my central points. Our ability to secure that kind of multilateral cooperation in the war against terrorism can be severely damaged in the way we go about undertaking unilateral action against Iraq."

In one of his strongest assessments of Mr. Bush, Mr. Gore said the administration had wasted an opportunity to rally international support after the attacks. He cited new instances of anti-Americanism even among traditional allies of the United States, including in this week's national elections in Germany.

"In the immediate aftermath of Sept. 11, more than a year ago, we had an enormous reservoir of good will and sympathy and shared resolve all over the world," Mr. Gore said. "That has been squandered in a year's time and replaced with great anxiety all around the world, not primarily about what the terrorist networks are going to do, but about what we're going to do."

Republicans reacted angrily, accusing Mr. Gore of using the Iraqi situation for political advantage.

"It seems to be a speech that was more appropriate for a political hack than a presidential candidate, by someone who clearly failed to recognize leadership," said Jim Dyke, a spokesman for the Republican National Committee. "There's clearly a lot of people stepping forward with productive solutions, productive ideas, as far as how to address the problem that face us, and this seems to be someone content to stand on the sidelines and throw rocks."

Mr. Gore made the speech to the Commonwealth Club of California on short notice and before a largely partisan crowd of about 450. Some welcomed him to the lectern by humming "Hail to the Chief." Mr. Gore, who took California by a large margin in the 2000 presidential election, responded by telling jokes about the voting problems in the Florida primary this month and remarking about how much he likes California.

Mr. Gore's speech came under increasingly scrutiny by Democrats over whether he would run for president again in 2004. Until today, he has kept a low profile over the past two weeks as other potential Democratic presidential contenders have offered their views on Iraq.

His appearance here suggested a shift in positioning by Mr. Gore, who has for 10 years portrayed himself as a moderate, particularly when it comes to issues of foreign policy, and repeatedly invoked his 1991 vote on the gulf war resolution as a way of distinguishing himself from the rest of his party.

Asked pointedly about his ambitions, Mr. Gore said he would not decide on whether to seek the presidency again until the end of the year. After the speech, he said that his motivation in criticizing Mr. Bush was not related to electoral politics. Rather, he said, he hoped to encourage a greater national debate about the war on terrorism and Mr. Bush's proposed policy of pre-emptive strikes against enemies like Iraq.

"The intention is to present what I think is a better course of action for our country, and to advance debate on a real important challenge that we face as a country," Mr. Gore said.

Yet with most prominent Democrats lining up behind President Bush on Iraq, Mr. Gore was certain to attract attention by taking a contrary view. Copies of his speech were handed out to reporters by a former California campaign worker and the choice of venue — a friendly crowd in a friendly state — invited speculation about his future.

Mr. Gore was asked after the speech whether his remarks were out of step with the Democratic Party.

"I don't know and I don't really care, in the sense I am going to do and say what I think is right," he said. "I was accused of being out of step with my party back in 1991 when I supported the Persian Gulf war resolution. A lot of people who criticized that later came to believe that was the right decision."

Programming officials with the Commonwealth Club, which is a nonpartisan organization founded in 1903 that has also recently featured speeches by President Bush and Vice President Cheney, said that aides to Mr. Gore expressed an interest in the club because of its long history of presenting important public figures. The Gore aides specifically mentioned an appearance before the group by Franklin D. Roosevelt, a club official said.

nytimes.com



To: JohnM who wrote (46458)9/24/2002 7:46:13 AM
From: Nadine Carroll  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
A Canadian member of parliament and professor of law looks back at Durban:

The first lesson is the danger of a state-sanctioned culture of hate. We learned from World War II and the genocide of European Jewry that the Holocaust did not come about simply as a result of the industry of death and the technology of terror of the Nazis, but rather because of the ideology -- indeed pathology -- of hate. This demonizing of the other, this teaching of contempt, is where it all begins. As the Supreme Court of Canada put it in validating anti-hate legislation in Canada, "The Holocaust did not begin in the gas chambers; it began with words."

In fact, some 50 years later those lessons remained unlearned and the tragedies were repeated, because both in Bosnia and in Rwanda it was government-sanctioned hate speech that led to ethnic cleansing. Regrettably, in the Middle East, and particularly with regard to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, this government-sanctioned hate speech has not been given the importance it deserves. It is this state-sanctioned culture of incitement that is the most proximate cause of violence and terror. The assault on terrorism should, in fact, begin with efforts to end this state-sanctioned incitement.

Professor Fuad Ajami wrote immediately after the Passover Seder massacre in Israel, with respect to a government-sanctioned culture of incitement and international acts of terror: "The suicide bomber of the Passover massacre did not descend from the sky. He walked straight out of the culture of incitement let loose on the land. He partook of the culture all around him, the glee that greets those brutal deeds of terror, the cult that rises around the martyrs and other families. The menace hovering over Israel is the great Arab-Palestinian refusal to let that country be, to cede it a place among the nations."


jcpa.org



To: JohnM who wrote (46458)9/24/2002 11:07:09 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
It gets depressing, but we really need to continue to look at the Intelligence problem, IMO. From NRO

September 24, 2002, 9:25 a.m.
Black Hole
The Bush intel problem.

By Mark Riebling

One year ago, in his primetime address to a joint session of Congress and the American people, President Bush vowed "to strengthen our intelligence capabilities, to know the plans of terrorists before they act, and find them before they strike." He received a thunderous ovation. Now, a year later, in his new national-security strategy, the president has finally outlined his vision for intelligence reform.

What a difference a year doesn't make.

After months of bruising revelations ? capped last week by the Joint House-Senate 9/11 Committee's interim report ? the need for radical spy reform could not be clearer. Yet spy reform is precisely the issue about which the president, in his otherwise bold strategy document, has the least to say. It's also the area where what he does say is least specific ? and where specific, most adherent to the outmoded models he vows to transform.

"Intelligence ? and how we use it," the new strategy affirms "is our first line of defense against terrorists and the threat posed by hostile states." Agreed. Yet of the nearly 13,000 words in the document, only 295 ? two percent ? touch on intelligence. Far more words are devoted to environmental protection (373), regional conflicts in Southeast Asia, Latin America, and Africa (722), aid to underdeveloped nations (1,235), and foreign trade (1,470). We're given whole paragraphs on literacy training and AIDS, health care and clean water, low marginal tax rates. National security is construed so broadly that it sounds like advice from a motivational talk at a Rotary Club pancake breakfast: "our national security begins" with our "entrepreneurial energy."

The 9/11 hijackers did not succeed because our "entrepreneurial energy" failed us. They did not succeed because our environmental-protection, foreign aid, or trade policies failed us. They succeeded because our intelligence community failed us.

Our intelligence community failed us, as we now know in depressing detail, at a particular stress point. It failed at the seam of foreign and domestic spying, at the division between law enforcement and intelligence, at the wedge between FBI and CIA.

The president acknowledges this fatal rupture, but proposes no remedies. "Since the threats inspired by foreign governments and groups may be conducted inside the United States," he writes, "we must also ensure the proper fusion of information between intelligence and law enforcement." He does not say how this fusion, which thirteen White House directives by previous administrations have failed to effect, will finally work on his own watch.

President Bush concedes that "the distinction between domestic and foreign affairs is diminishing," but he does not draw the logical conclusion: that the distinction between domestic and foreign spying ought to be correspondingly diminished. He simply refers to globalization as "a new condition of life," as if it must be passively accepted. The "distinctly American internationalism" he urges abroad will be backed, it seems, by a distinctly American provincialism at home. We will remain the only major democracy that lacks a true internal spy agency. We will continue to split counterterrorist duties between cops and spies.

What about counterintelligence ? the thwarting of enemy spy services? President Bush deserves credit for at least mentioning the issue, which is too often ignored. "[We are] investing in future capabilities while working to protect them through a more vigorous effort to prevent the compromise of intelligence capabilities...."

But what is this "more vigorous" effort? How will it resolve the ancient rivalry between collectors of positive intelligence, and the naysayers of counterintelligence? Will the 1973 CIA decision to emphasize collection over protection now be officially reversed? This vital question is not answered, or even asked.

Where President Bush does give detail, it is in his vow to "tak[e] full advantage of science and technology" to improve our intelligence. This will be done specifically "by developing assets such as advanced remote sensing...." Yet no one has suggested that 9/11 could have been averted by a larger fleet of robot planes. Only penetration agents in al Qaeda could have tipped us off. The number of words devoted by the White House to the improvement of human espionage? Zero.

With that lacuna, the document achieves a kind of negative logical perfection. Simply stated: The more directly vital a policy transformation is to the prevention of another 9/11, the less directly the new strategy addresses it.

President Bush promises, for instance, "a fundamental reordering of the FBI," referring apparently to the improvement of FBI analysis, for which he has budgeted $35 million. But that is all he has to say on the repair of the broken system which prevented the prevention of 9/11. That's it: Just that one lonely sentence. The White House document spends nine fulsome paragraphs, by contrast, detailing how our national security will be enhanced by research into "greenhouse gases."

How are we to interpret this vacuity? One might posit that the president is being coy for security reasons. Perhaps he doesn't want to tell our enemies what we're doing. I pray that is the case. But I don't think it is.

The president's relative de-emphasis on intelligence, after all, is not merely rhetorical. He not only spends more words on greenhouse gases than on FBI reform; he's spending far more money as well. He proudly points out that the $4.5 billion he's shoveling into research on "climate change" is "the largest sum being spent... by any country in the world." What the president does not point out is that he's thereby spending 1,285 times more tax dollars countering the "green menace" than fixing the problem that led most directly to 9/11.

Money alone is not the solution to our intelligence problems. But money is a good indicator of the relative priority accorded an issue in Washington. And the warning signs of a Bush blank-out on intelligence have been flashing since early summer.

In the homeland-security plan, less than two pages (of 28) addressed the overhaul of intelligence. At the time, critics ascribed this relative lack of emphasis to the political rush in which the plan was released. That excuse can no longer be mustered: The president and his national-security staff have been huddled over the new strategy for months.

It's been widely reported that President Bush has delegated the responsibility for intelligence reform to former national-security adviser Brent Scowcroft. It's also been reported that Scowcroft opposes any reform more radical than strengthening the authority of the director of Central Intelligence.

Shoring up the DCI's authority is, to be sure, a good idea. But doing that, and doing nothing else, is a recipe for disaster. As the strategy document rightly notes: "The major institutions of American national security were designed in a different era to meet different requirements. All of them must be transformed."

If this transformation is, in fact, controlled by a coterie that opposes transformation, something is wrong. One must hope that, contrary to all reports, Scowcroft is writing even now a plan for radical reform, which he keeps locked at night in an office safe, and which the president will soon make public, in the White House Rose garden, with Scowcroft standing dutifully behind him. One must hope that this plan will contain detailed prescriptions to seal the counterintelligence gaps, to help our human spies steal enemy secrets, and to heal, at last, the FBI-CIA split.

The status quoism in the new strategy document makes this hope increasingly difficult to sustain. But a full year after his pledge to strengthen our intelligence, it's a hope the president should finally and decisively honor.

? Mark Riebling is the author of Wedge: From Pearl Harbor to 9/11 ? How the Secret War Between the CIA and FBI Has Endangered National Security.
nationalreview.com