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To: LindyBill who wrote (1327)	10/30/2002 2:01:37 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 6901

Oh... I don't blame Ken too much... The thread was becoming stagnant, and more patisan than normal... We're not unlike the journalists out there, in that we need "news" to sustain our debates.. We've pretty much played out most of the eventful news of the day and the lines are drawn.. And now we were spending more time on off-topic subjects and domestic politics. (and of course the Belafonte matter, which really torgued me off) What's really sad is when folks are unwilling to justify their opinons with anything substantial. I realize that I take a hard-nose, and often abrasive approach, to discussing foreign affairs. That's just how I was taught by several professors.. They didn't care what I thought, so long as I could break it down into something logical or measurable. They wouldn't brook much of the touchy-feely debating tactics that were soft on facts, but long on rhetoric. Because those tactics do nothing more than mask the real dynamics at work behind policy making. And most of those dynamic revolve around power, either political, economic, or personal.. Thus, we need to peel back "political facades" to see if the facts substantiate the perceptions. Hawk

To: LindyBill who wrote (1327)	10/30/2002 3:04:09 PM
From: KLP	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6901

Out just a bit ago....Canada Cautions Some on U.S. Travel By Tom Cohen Associated Press Writer Wednesday, October 30, 2002; 12:48 PM washingtonpost.com TORONTO –– The Canadian government issued a travel advisory this week with a twist: It suggests citizens born in Iraq, Syria and other countries targeted by U.S. anti-terrorism policies consider avoiding travel to the United States. The advisory issued Monday focuses on a U.S. regulation adopted a year after the Sept. 11 attacks that permits American authorities to closely monitor travelers born in certain countries suspected of terrorism links. Canada considers the system discriminatory because it targets citizens based on where they were born, said Reynald Doiron, a foreign affairs department spokesman. "It's against basic principles on both sides of the border," Doiron said Wednesday. "Canadian citizens should be exempted from that measure." Phone messages left Wednesday morning with the U.S. Embassy in Ottawa went unanswered. A man holding joint Canadian-Syrian citizenship was detained Sept. 26 while changing planes at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport and deported to Syria. Canada protested the deportation of Maher Arar, 32, saying he should have been sent to Canada due to his Canadian citizenship and residence. Syria, Iran, Iraq, Libya and Sudan are the countries listed in the U.S. National Security Entry Exit Registration System introduced on the first anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks. The system authorizes the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service to photograph, fingerprint and monitor the arrival and departure of visitors born in or citizens of those nations. The Canadian travel advisory notes that people from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen "could also attract special attention from American immigration and security authorities." "In these circumstances, the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade advises Canadians who were born in the above countries or who may be citizens of these countries to consider carefully whether they should attempt to enter the United States for any reason, including transit to or from third countries," the advisory said. Arar, a telecommunications engineer, was returning home to Montreal from a trip to Tunisia when he was stopped by U.S. authorities in New York. Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham protested the deportation to U.S. Ambassador Paul Cellucci. Graham said U.S. officials told him they believed they could send Arar to Syria because of his Syrian citizenship. Canada has generally acceded to U.S. demands for greater border security since the December 1999 arrest of Ahmed Ressam, who tried to cross into Washington state from British Columbia with explosives in the trunk of his car. Ressam was convicted of plotting to bomb the Los Angeles International Airport during millennium celebrations and is scheduled to be sentenced this year. None of the Sept. 11 hijackers had known links to Canada. Canada has joined the United States in tightening border security while trying to ensure that commercial traffic continues flowing smoothly to feed the world's biggest trade partnership, worth more than $1 billion a day. –––––– On the Net: Canadian Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade at www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service at www.ins.usdoj.gov