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To: Brumar89 who wrote (17506)	11/3/2002 6:59:52 PM
From: average joe	Respond to of 23908

Translation of Osama bin Laden's Statement All praise belongs to Allah. We praise Him, seek His aid, seek His forgiveness. And we seek refuge with Him from the wicked [promptings] of our souls and the evil [consequences] of our deeds. And I bear witness that there is none worthy of worship but Allah alone and I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and His messenger. To proceed. So here is America, Allah has struck it in one of its vital points, so He destroyed her greatest of buildings. And unto Allah is all praise (al-hamd) and He has favored us with this blessing (al-minna). And here is America filled with terror from its north to its south, from its east to its west. And unto Allah is all praise (al-hamd) and He has favored us with this blessing (al-minna). So what America tastes today is just a little of what we have tasted for decades. For indeed our ummah for some 80 plus years has tasted this humiliation; so its children are killed, and its blood shed, and its holy places transgressed; and it is slaughtered by what Allah has not sent down. And there is none to hear or respond [to our cries]. So when Allah -- subhanahu wa ta'ala -- led to success a star from the stars of Islam and a vanguard from the vanguards of Islam -- [so] Allah gave them victory so they destroyed America with a great destruction --- I ask Allah --- subhanahu wa ta'ala --- to raise their position and provide them with the high Firdaws. So when these [men] replied on behalf of their oppressed children, and on behalf of their brothers and sisters in Palestine and in many lands of Islam -- the world in its entirety shouted. Unbelief (kufr) shouted and hypocrisy (nifaq) followed it. Until this moment which I am speaking, a million innocent children have been murdered [and are still being murdered] for no sin they have committed and we do not hear [any voice] denouncing that and we do not hear any fatwa from the scholars of the rulers [regarding that]. And during these days, Israeli tanks and death machines spread destruction in the lands -- in Janeen, in Ramallah, in Rafah, in Bait Jaalo, and elsewhere in the lands of Islam and we do not hear anyone raising a voice or getting up to do something [about that]. So if after 80 years the sword befalls on America, the head of hypocrisy comes out and feels sorry for those murderers who played with the blood, honor, and holy places of the Muslims. The least what can be said regarding [those scholars] is that they are sinful (fasiqa). They followed falsehood, and they gave victory [by their words] to the butcher over the lamb and the gave victory [by their words] to the oppressor over the innocent [Muslim] child. So Allah is sufficient for me against them and I ask Allah -- subhanahu wa ta'ala -- to show us what they deserve [from His punishment]. I say the matter is clear and obvious. So it is necessary for every Muslim after this event and after the leaders in the United States of America -- beginning with the head of world infidelity (kufr), Bush, and those with him, have spoken. They have come out with their men and steeds [of war]. They have gathered against us. Even the nations that identify themselves with Islam [have gathered] against this group that has come forth [to establish] its religion for Allah -- subhanahu wa ta'ala -- [and] which refuses to humiliate their religion. [These nations] have come out seeking to fight Islam and humanity in the name [of fighting] terrorism. A people in the far ends of the earth ... in Japan ... hundreds of thousands of its people -- young and old -- were killed [by America's atomic bombs]. This is not a war crime [rather] this is an issue that has to be contemplated. Today [the slaughter due to sanctions] in Iraq .. this is an issue that needs to be contemplated. However when tens are killed in Nairobi and Dar as-Salam, Afganistan is bombed, Iraq is bombed. And hypocrisy in its entirety stands behind the head of world infidelity .. behind the Hubal [Note: Hubal was an idol worshipped by Quraish] of today -- America and those with it. I say these events have divided the world in its entirety into two camps: a camp of faith having no hypocrisy and a camp of unbelif (kufr). May Allah protect us and you from [hypocrisy and unbelief]. It is necessary for every Muslim to rise up and give victory to his deen. The winds of faith have blown. And the winds of change to remove the falsehood in the peninsula of Muhammad -- sallallahu alaihi wa sallam - have blown. As for America I say to it and its people just a few words: I swear by Allah the Greatest Who raised the heavens [above the earth] without pillars... neither America nor those who live there will dream of security until we live it in reality in Palestine and before all the infidel armies leave the lands of Muhammad -- sallallahu alaihi wa sallam. Allah is greatest and glory and might is for Islam alone. And may Allah's peace, mercy, and blessings be upon you. geocities.com

To: Brumar89 who wrote (17506)	11/4/2002 10:51:36 AM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

Like Darren, you post a feverish rant that has already been addressed by the article I posted. <<< At the most rudimentary level, the Qur'an itself is explicit in prohibiting any form of coerced conversions to Islam. It contends that truth and falsity are clear and distinct, and so whomever wishes to believe may do so, but no duress is permitted in religion: "There is no compulsion in matter of faith." Of course, this response is incomplete—even if forced conversions to Islam are prohibited, aggressive warfare to spread Islamic power over non-believers might still be allowed. Does the Qur'an condone such expansionist wars? Interestingly, Islamic tradition does not have a notion of holy war. "Jihad" simply means to strive hard or struggle in pursuit of a just cause, and according to the Prophet of Islam, the highest form of jihad is the struggle waged to cleanse oneself from the vices of the heart. Holy war (in Arabic al-harb al-muqaddasah) is not an expression used by the Qur'anic text or Muslim theologians. In Islamic theology, war is never holy; it is either justified or not, and if it is justified, those killed in battle are considered martyrs. The Qur'anic text does not recognize the idea of unlimited warfare, and does not consider the simple fact of the belligerent's Muslim identity to be sufficient to establish the justness of his cause. In other words, the Qur'an entertains the possibility that the Muslim combatant might be the unjust party in a conflict. Moreover, while the Qur'an emphasizes that Muslims may fight those who fight them, it also insists that Muslims may not transgress. Transgression is an ambiguous term, but on several occasions the Qur'an intimates that in order not to transgress, Muslims must be constrained by a requirement of proportionality, even when the cause is just. For instance, it states, "Mandated is the law of equality, so that who transgresses against you, respond in kind, and fear God, and know that God is with those who exercise restraint." Despite the prohibition against transgression and the condemnation of unlimited warfare, many classical jurists adopted an imperialist orientation, which divided the world into the abode of Islam and the abode of war, and supported expansionist wars against unbelievers. But this view was not unanimous. Classical Muslim jurists debated whether unbelief is a sufficient justification for warfare, with a sizeable number of classical jurists arguing that non-Muslims may not be fought unless they pose a physical threat to Muslims. If non-Muslims seek peace, Muslims should make an effort to achieve such a peace. This discourse was partly inspired by the Qur'anic injunctions concerning peace. The Qur'an asserts that God does not prohibit Muslims from making peace with those who do not fight Muslims, but God does prohibit Muslims from making peace with those who have expelled Muslims from their homes and continue to persecute them. Elsewhere, the Qur'an pronounces a stronger mandate in favor of peace in stating: "If your enemy inclines towards peace, then you should seek peace and trust in God." Moreover, the Qur'an instructs Muslims not to haughtily turn away unbelievers who seek to make peace with Muslims, and reminds Muslims that, "If God would have willed, He would have given the unbelievers power over you [Muslims], and they would have fought you [Muslims]. Therefore, if they [the unbelievers] withdraw from you and refuse to fight you, and instead send you guarantees of peace, know that God has not given you a license [to fight them]." These discussions of peace would not make sense if Muslims were in a permanent state of war with non-believers, and if non-believers were a permanent enemy and always a legitimate target. >>> bostonreview.mit.edu Tom

To: Brumar89 who wrote (17506)	11/4/2002 11:00:07 AM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 23908

Just one example of the malicious dishonesty of your source: Ibn Hazm al-Andalusi, the author of an-Nasikh wal-Mansukh, informs us that there are 114 verses that speak of tolerance in early Islam, but all were abrogated by one verse, "Slay the idolaters wherever you find them" (Q. 9:5) Sounds pretty bad, until one reads the entire verse: "[at-Taubah 9:5] Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." And then the verse immediately before it: "[at-Taubah 9:4] Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him)." And verse immediately after it: " [at-Taubah 9:6] And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not." Turns out the only thing that has been abrogated is Ike's credibility (yours having been shot long ago). Tom