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To: zonder who wrote (2108)	11/4/2002 7:07:49 AM
From: Condor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6901

A country's support for another country, or its lack thereof, has to be the result of a risk/benefit analysis ...so much for humanitarianism ....are you a lawyer?? C

To: zonder who wrote (2108)	11/4/2002 8:30:02 AM
From: frankw1900	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6901

Zonder, We obviously don't agree on what are the risks and benefits. A country's support for another country, or its lack thereof, has to be the result of a risk/benefit analysis and not "they are modern so let's support them" At one time I did quite a lot of risk/benefit analysis and how how that turned out depended entirely on the assumptions and descriptions produced before the actual risk/benefit analysis was done. I say the islamofacists and the corrupt, failed regimes which have given them carte blanche, are a menace to the modern world. The modern world has two major defining characteristics - it doesn't have rulers, it has democracy, and it doesn't have faith, its has science. The islamists and the failed regimes are enemies of the modern world and want to destroy it. From time to time here and on FADG I've argued this. So far, no one has stepped up and shown me I'm full of shit. The US took the challenge and faced down the archaic movements in WW2 and the Cold War (no, marxism is not modern) not because it was noble but because it had to. The risk in not doing so was in letting foolish utopian ideas win. In the human realm the ultimate reality is defined by the ideas that win. The stakes are high - freedom or bondage, for instance. The number of truly modern countries are limited and the modern world can't afford to lose even one. The US is the great exemplar and beneficiary of modernity and the further it spreads the more prosperous and secure the US, and other modern nations, become. The other great supporter of Israel is India which is struggling to be modern and is besieged by anti-modernist islamofascists. What are the risks in abandoning friends? What are the benefits? I'm sure we'll continue this discussion.