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Politics : Impeach George W. Bush -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (16592)	11/5/2002 3:06:38 PM
From: TigerPaw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 93284

The Founders dealt with the situation in front of them, and could never have conceived of our current circumstances. I thought you maintained it was good and right that the court justices adhere only to the musings and conceptions of the founding fathers when examining the Constitution. That would seem in variance with your current statement.

To: Neocon who wrote (16592)	11/5/2002 3:58:55 PM
From: MSI	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 93284

Yes, my goal is the democratization of the world, mainly through education and example. We're getting closer to rational policy description. This is as opposed to current spook-driven policy of assassination and covert disruption of sovereign countries "for their own good". The excuses for such lethal force intervention and non-lethal covert action fail to persuade. Your comment above, however, is consistent with common sense. Add "trade", and the juggernaut of American culture is unstoppable, unless contaminated by internal failures in Washington which cause the "American Way" lose respect and credibility. assertion that if the Soviet Union had followed the Chinese model, it would have ceased to be dangerous, is nonsense The point was the contradiction between "USSR will take over the world", and "USSR communism is a fundamental failure and they will fall". You attempted to invent a theory that by some market-related change "USSR could continue indefinitely". This is contradicts common sense and experience, considering other countries which have included some capitalist features. The USSR was always contained -- it was a question of how long they would last. The DOD-industrial combine didn't have the patience to wait in spite of evidence of their house of cards beginning to collapse. The reason they didn't have the patience was because they didn't have to. There was and is no restraint on such secret activities and operations that have no honest accountability to Congress or the American people. I do, however, suggest that we take care of our security needs, and that we sometimes intervene in cases where we might tip the balance favorably, or where there is an imminent threat of a humanitarian disaster What kind of bullshit is that? You say "suggest we sometimes intervene in cases where we might tip the balance favorably". Who decides? What's the rationale? What's the budget? What are the rules of engagement. More importantly, what is the Constitutional basis for such a do-gooder plank of a DOD-industrial platform? This kind of thing drives me nuts when I hear debates accept these assumptions uncritically, without any citizen or Congressional input. Did the Founders suggest we go around the world "tipping the balance favorably" in sovereign countries? This is the kind of loophole thinking that you can drive a platoon of mercenaries through. The absolute presumption of the Beltway crowd that the funds paid by taxpayers are theirs to do with as they wish, for any "do-good" proposition they can dream up. As far as humanitarian disasters, that's the purpose of the U.N. If there can be agreement on anything relevent to the the U.N., that would be it.