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To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (324324)	12/1/2002 1:14:36 PM
From: GROUND ZERO™	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

The scouts are a bigoted and exclusionary organization. So what? What's wrong with a group denying membership to others? Should the Girl Scouts be forced to allow boys to join? Should whites then attend Black colleges? Can men then attend women only colleges? Can Blacks and Jews then join the KKK? How far do you want to go with this absurdity? I don't see a problem with groups having their own identity provided they're law biding individuals with a peaceful and lawful intent... I've posed this question to you before but you obviously ignored the issue... GZ

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (324324)	12/2/2002 1:42:45 AM
From: Johannes Pilch	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

The scouts are a bigoted and exclusionary organization. The scouts is a very fine organization that makes a point of promoting time-tested values and basic social decency instead of all these friggin' godless fudge packers. Why do you suppose their sister organization doesn't have the same rules.??? Because godless female fish lickers have done to that organization what godless male pickle puffers aim to do to the scouts. I can understand Neanderthal thinking about gays, but please tell me why you think atheists are less moral than believers.... Has nothing to do with Neanderthal thinking at all. Homosexuality is clearly and obviously not our fundamental identity. It isn't the fundamental identity of even the homosexuals themselves. It is a tragic deception of the most basic sort. We are, every one of us, built, even on the most essential level, of biological contributions of both male and female human beings - NOT male and male or female and female. Heterosexuality is us in the most fundamental way. Where there exists one human, there also exists two other humans within him. Those two other humans are not of the same sex - they are male and female. Once again, heterosexuality is us. Homosexuality ain't, and so we have no natural obligation to support it. As to the immorality of atheists, the matter has to do with perspective. The atheist lives as if his terms are ultimately the only terms that matter. And yet, if God truly existed, there is just no way for the atheist to ever descry Him on those terms. For those of us who have been given a view beyond nature, atheism is nearly the ultimate blasphemy against the possibilities, against knowledge, against any extra-natural Being. It is near the zenith of pride for men, who by their very essence are cut off from the extra-natural, to declare petty nature the beginning and end of truth. From that perspective then it is absolutely impossible for an atheist to be moral. Atheists may not kill others to the extent of some theistic cultists and even Christians, but their blasphemy is above all these others because it sins against the highest possible truth. Now atheists are free to reject this perspective, but they have no right to force the scouts to embrace immoral people. If atheists wish to be scouts while remaining godless, they should form their own godless organization of scouts. And merely because the scouts use public venues is no reason to claim the scouts cannot be the scouts. It is also no reason to deny the scouts use of those venues. The scouts do not use the venues to promote an anti-atheist agenda. Indeed, the point of the scouts has little at all to do with being anti-atheist and everything to do with supporting a pro-God posture for itself. That is its right as an American organism. Moreover, the scouts are not commandeering any public space as their own, to above all other agendas permanently promote their beliefs. The venues they use are public, available to all Americans - Americans who possess a wide variety of beliefs, many of which are philosophically in conflict. And you say being a Jew is a race and not a religion??? Hitler said that too..... Such fallacies will only appeal here to empty-headed leftists, fudge-monkeys and hairy-legged feminazis. I used the term "race" assuming you capable of perceiving the general concept I have placed before you.