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To: hmaly who wrote (155548)	12/3/2002 2:23:57 AM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1579860

There are 22 separate datelines [in 1947]. Of the 22 only two refer to Zionist Armies or cleansing. Ahhhhhhhh..........1947 was a very good year.......lots of meaningful events. However, the real action was in 1948 when Israel became independent. In that year, prior to Israel's independence on 16 May, I count 30 references to the Zionist Armies or ethnic cleansing......I marked them with double [see below]. Please note that the year was less than 6 months old. The Deir Yassin massacre of 150 non fighters [read women, children] by Zionist terrorists is particularly an interesting read. ted 1948 - January: AbdulQadir al-Husseini returns to Palestine from exile and becomes active in resisting the partition - January 8 - 10: Arab Salvation Army's first unit of 330 fighters arrives in Palestine, meets resistance from both Britain and Zionist organizations - January 14: The Haganah stockpiles on arms, mainly imported from Czechoslovakia, including artillery, machine guns, ammunition and 25 planes. - January 16: British report to the UN estimates 1974 killed during the period November 30, 1947 and January 10, 1948 - January 20: Britain says it'll hand over administration according to local majority in each area - January 21 - 28: an extra 760 volunteers arrive to join Arab Salvation Army (ASA) - January - March: Jewish National Fund encourages the expulsion of Arabs from Haifa. The Haganah attacks Palestinians near al-Hula lake (north of Tabariyya) and the Palmach (another Zionist armed group) attacks bedouins in An-Naqab. - February 16: ASA loses near Bisan. - February 18: The Haganah calls men and women aged 25 - 35 to enlist in 'military service'. - February 24: UN discusses the situation - March: East Jordan government head meets UK's Bevin and both agree that East Jordan government forces enter areas allocated to Palestinians (according to partition plan) after the end of Mandate - March 5 - 7: Qawikji assumes leadership of ASA units in the Jenin-Nablus-Tulkarm triangle 9areas assigned to an Arab state according to partition plan) - March 6: the Haganah announces general mobilization - March 10: British House of Commons votes on ending the mandate on May 15. The Haganah drafts "Plan Dalet" (Dalet is Hebrew for D) for military operations in Palestine. - March 18: American president, Truman, receives Chaim Weizman and promises to support the declaration of the Jewish State on May 15. ++++- March 19 - 20: USA representative in the Security Council asks it to suspend the partition plan and calls for a General Assembly session to discuss a trusteeship on Palestine. Arabs accepted a limited one with a truce conditioned by Jewish acceptance. The Jewish Agency rejected. - March 25: Truman calls for an immediate truce, announces willingness to participate in temporary trusteeship - March 30 - May 15: 2nd coastal cleansing operation by the Haganah against Palestinians between Haifa and Yafa. - April 1: First arms shipment to Jewish organizations lands in Haifa, more in air cargo. Security Council calls for a General Assembly session according to US suggestion. - April 4: The Haganah starts executing "Plan Dalet (D)". - April 4 - 15: Battle of Mishmar Ha 'Emeq. Haganah wins and Palmach occupies villages in the plains of marj bin Aamer - April 6 - 15: Operation Nachshon (first part of Dalet Plan). Villages and towns on the Jerusalem - Tel Aviv road fell to Haganah. - April 8: Abdur Qadir Husseini dies in counter offensive to restore al-Qastal (near Jerusalem) - April 9: Deir Yassin massacre. Irgon and Stern terrorists kill 250 civilians in this village in Jerusalem district - April 12: General Zionist Council decides to establish an independent state in Palestine on May 16. - April 20: Operation Hariel of Plan Dalet. Palestinian villages on Jerusalem road targeted and destroyed. Continues till May 15. - April 15 - May 25: Operation Yiftah captures Safad and uses psychological war to expel Palestinians. Operation Sweeper drives bedouins to Jordan River. - April 16 - 17: Golani and Palmach units occupy Tabariyya (Tiberias) after British forces leave. Palestinian residents leave. - April 17: Security Council calls for a military and political truce - April 20: USA brings its trusteeship proposal to the UN - April 21: Operation Misparim. British forces leave Haifa, Haganah launches offensive. - April 22: Local defenders in Haifa lose. Residents leave due to heavy shelling and round offensive. - April 25: Irgon attacks yafa. - April 26 - 30: Haganah launches Operation Yabusi on and around Jerusalem and occupies areas there. - April 27 - May 5: Irgon and Haganah intensifies shelling and ground offensive on Yafa (Operation Hamets) leading to expulsion of 50000 - April 30: Haganah captures all areas of West Jerusalem and expels Palestinians - May 3: Reports say Zionist attacks left about 175,000 - 200,000 Palestinian refugees - May 8 - 16: Haganah launches Operation Maccabi capturing villages on the Ramle-LaTrun road - May 9 - June 1: Operation Barak. Haganah attacks around Ramle - May 10 - 15: Golani brigade captures Bisan and launches attacks in area - May 12 - 14: Zionist forces receive more arms shipments arrive from Czechoslovakia - May 13: ASA and local fighters attack Gush Etsion and captures it in return of Zionists attack on the Hebron road. Yafa surrenders to the Haganah. - May 13 - 21: Operation Ben Ami. Carmeli brigade captures Akka 9Acre) and coastal areas north of the city - May 14: Haganah launches offensive on Jerusalem after British forces leave. Some residential areas captured in old city. An Israeli state was declared in Tel Aviv at 4 pm. USA president Truman recognizes the state - May 15: British mandate ends. Israeli state declaration takes effect. - May 15 - 17: Lebanese soldiers enter north border, restore 2 villages. - May 15 - 28: Arab Army (East Jordan) crosses the river and takes positions in Jerusalem, captures areas from the Haganah - May 15 - June 4: Iraqi units enter Palestine and take position in Jenin-Nablus-Tulkarm triangle. Haganah launches offensive, expel residents of villages on the Jenin road and even occupying Jenin but kicked out on June 3 -4 . - May 15 - June 7: Egyptian units cross the border and reach Isdod (coastal town). Some volunteers connect with Jordanian units near Bethlehem. - May 16 - 30: Operation Ben Nun. Zionists fail to capture Latrun to open Jerusalem - Yafa road, but capture neighboring villages - May 16 - June 10: Syrian units enter from north. Restores a few villages together with Lebanese soldiers - May 20: Security Council appoints Bernadotte its intermediary in Palestine - May 22: Security Council issues a resolution calling for a ceasefire - June 9 - 10: Operation Yuram fails to capture Latrun - June 11 - July 8: First truce. - June 28 - 29: Bernadotte suggests a solution between East Jordan and Palestine leading to Arab and Jewish states and allocates each party's share. Both parties rejected it. - July 7: Security Council calls for an extension of the truce - July 7 - 18: Operation Dani. Lod and Ramle fall, residents leave. Villages on the Yafa-Jerusalem road fall and a major offensive on Latrun ends with second truce taking effect. - July 8 - 14: Operations An-Far and Dekel end in capture of areas near Ramle as well as Naasira and al-Jalil al-Asfal (Lower Galilee) - July 9 - 18: Israeli army fails to restore a settlement from the Syrians - July 15: Security Council calls concerned governments and authorities to issue a ceasefire and implement it in 3 weeks. - July 17: Israeli Operation Kedem fails to capture old Jerusalem. - July 18 - October 15: second truce - July 24 - 26: Operation Shuteir. Israeli forces attack and capture 3 villages south of Haifa. - August 16 - early October: expulsion of bedouins from an-Naqab by Negev and Yiftah brigades - July 24 - 28: Operation Nikayon (cleansing): occupation of areas north of Isdod - September 16: Bernadotte suggests a new partition of Palestine. An Arab state to join east Jordan (contains An-Naqab, Lod, Ramle), Jewish state in Galilee (al-Jalil), internationalization of Jerusalem, return of refugees or compensation. Arab league and 'Israel' reject. - September 17: Zionist group, Stern, assassinates Bernadotte. - October 15 - November 9: Operations Yuav and Hahar. Occupation of Bi'r as-Sabi', Majdal, Isdod, coastal areas and villages near Hebron. - October 29 - 31: Operation Hiram. Capture of Jalil al-A'ala (Upper Galilee) and advance toward Litani river in Lebanon - November 4: security Council resolution calls for withdrawal to the prior October 14 positions and establishment of permanent truce lines - November - Mid 1949: Israeli forces expel villagers from a stretch 5 - 15 Km deep in Lebanon as well as residents of al-Jalil. - December 22 - January 6, 1949: Operation Horef against Egyptian forces. Occupation of many towns and villages, advancement into Sinai followed by withdrawal and ceasefire on December 7 with forces on the outskirts of Rafah - December 27: an attack on Egyptian forces fail. 1949 - February 24: Israeli-Egyptian truce. Egyptian forces leave Faluje and keeps gaza-Rafah strip. - February (end): Israeli army expels Faluje residents in violation of truce. - March: Israeli forces complete occupation of An-Naqab and reach Aqaba. - March 23: Israeli-Lebanese truce. Israeli forces withdraw from most Lebanese areas. - April 3: Israeli-Jordanian truce. Jordan keeps Nablus, Jenin and Tulkarm but leaves Wadi Ara. Both accept status quo in Jerusalem. - July 20: Israeli-Syrian truce. Demilitarized area between them.

To: hmaly who wrote (155548)	12/3/2002 2:29:00 AM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1579860

You are trying to make a case for the Jews going around killing pacifist Palestinians who were never given a choice. The truth is that both sides spent 1947 raising an army and arming their citizens. And as the datelines show; the Palestinians were given a chance at statehood, but they turned it down. My point was that the Palestinians in 1947 were mostly farmers and ranchers. The Arab League was an organization of the neighboring states. If the Palestinians played a role in the Arab League, it was a very small one. The major players in the Arab League were the Egyptians and Syrians and Jordanians. ted

To: hmaly who wrote (155548)	12/3/2002 3:06:22 AM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1579860

Not so.. AFAIK Barak agreed to dismantle the settlements at some future specified time. In fact, that was the main reason Sharon defeated Baruk in the elections. Most Israelis felt Baruk had given away too much. Barak was in office for only a few months. The settlement issue had already been derailed when B. Netanyahu of the conservative Likud party was elected as Prime Minister of Israel in 1996. All during the 90s, the West Bank settlements continued to grow and expand. It was clear, under the Likud party, Israel had no intention of honoring the WB settlement and Jerusalum issues agreed to in the Declaration of Principles it and Palestine had signed in the early 90s. And do you know why? As part of the negotiations, Israel wanted those settlements annexed into Israel proper. The UN Partition had already given Israel the best of everything including 56% of Palestine and now, Israel wanted 5-8% more of the land for its new settlements. That was indeed Israels starting negotiating position. In the final draft. Baruk agree to dismantle most if not all of the settlements eventually. As for the 56%, you should realize that Israels, 56% included the Negev desert. And the most desired town of Jerusalem was to be neutral. Like I said, in the early 90s, Barak helped develop the Declaration of Principles which called for the dismantling of the Israeli settlements in the West Bank. By 2000, that had become a joke. Just two weeks ago, the Bush administration once again called on Israel to start considering the dismantling of the settlements and what to do with the Jerusalem issue. Once again, as he has done in the past when he doesn't like what he hears, Sharon ignored Bush's request. Its unbelievable the attitude we put up with from Sharon. Really? The Koran? To my knowledge the Koran does not discuss the partitioning of Palestine. And I didn't say that either. I said that the Quran denounces the Jews as infidels, in certain passages. So what........Christians consider the Jews to be infidels as well. Over and over it says in the Bible [new testament] if you do not believe that Jesus was the son of God, you are going to hell. Guess what.....the Jews don't believe Jesus was the son of God. A lot of religions, Catholicism for instance, has offensive languages in some parts of the bible. However the church has downplayed or ignored the passages; such as " An eye for an eye"; instead emphasizing the passages of love and peace amongst men. However the hardline fundamentalist in Islam want to interpret the Quran as against Zionism; therefore they couldn't allow a Zionist state in their midst. As early as the 1920s, friction began to develop between the Zionists and the Palestinians. During the 30's, that friction grew. Both sides were pushing for independent states.....Britian was the ruling authority. Palestine was one of its colonies. The Brits mucked things up pretty much and tensions grew. By this time, there were open clashes between the Palestinians and the Zionists. Actually, Britian was given authority over the Palestine by mandate of the League of Nations in 1917. Britian was the predominant power in that area. Britian was to decide what to do with the former colony of the Ottoman empire, which declared bankrupty, and abandoned all of its territories outside of Turkey. Britain decided to partition Palestine after the Balfour declaration, in which UK foreign minister decided the Jews should have a homeland, and Britian controlled the mandate, and because of its historical significance to the Jews. After WW II, things got even more messy and the Brits handed over the whole partition issue to the UN. The UN proceeded with the British partition plans but the Palestinians balked.........no surprise there. Any fool could see the split was not equitable. You keep on trying to say the Palestinians got screwed. However Palestine wasn't ever a Palestinian state either. Over its history, Palestine was always under the control of somebody, but the Palestinians. For the last 500 yrs, Palestine was controlled by the Turks, and when the Ottoman empire collapsed, the British took over in 1917, under the auspices of a League of Nations mandate. Yes, and was your point that Palestinians have not been screwed? They have been screwed over and over again during their history, but the best screwing came from the Zionists. They took away the Palestinian's land and formed their own state, and left the Palestinians homeless in refugee camps. I call that a major screwing. Like it or not, the Palestinians and their arab allies lost three wars to the Zionists, and with each war, Israel claimed conquered land. To the victors go the spoils. Considering the Palestinian position, as the losers in three wars, Israel giving up 44% of its land to the losers is actually quite reasonable. Read you timeline again. In 1948, it became clear that the Partition Plan was unacceptable. In the UN, the US recommended that the Partition Plan be suspended....all agreed but the Zionists. However, President Truman kept insisting that it should be suspended. The Zionists ignored him. The Zionists, not the UN, declared that their independence day would be 16 May. The Partition Plan was developed by the Zionists and foisted on the British. It reserved all the best of Palestine for the new Zionist state. Its one of the biggest screw jobs in history and you don't understand why the Palestinians are pissed. ted