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To: paul_philp who wrote (59985)	12/5/2002 11:41:09 AM
From: FaultLine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Oh, please. Is there any chance we could put this loony stuff on the shelf for the duration? This is simply one more idiot attempt to paint critics of the Bush administration as anti-American; to stiffle dissent; to usher in the 1984 syndrom. [JohnM] I agree with John 100%. This forum, however, is not the place for this discussion -- try perhaps the BS (appropriate...) Bar and Grill. :o) Thanks, --fl EDIT: Far from a few whacko statements from people who should know better, it is begining to look like this is the emerging consensus of the Democratic party leadership I fail to see the problem -- the Republicans only lead in the state election by a scant, oh say, 0.0001% to 5% nationwide so what's the problem for the Demos? This can change in a heartbeat -- and will. And California, where the Democrats took every single state office, isn't exactly chopped chicken liver...

To: paul_philp who wrote (59985)	12/5/2002 2:20:42 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 281500

the article said: It is not that America went wrong here or there; it is that it is wrong root and branch. The conviction at the heart of those who engage in it is really quite simple: that America is an unmitigated evil, an irredeemable enormity. Paul observed about the article: Far from a few whacko statements from people who should know better, it is begining to look like this is the emerging consensus of the Democratic party leadership. I should include that between the article quote and Paul's comment lies my observation that the article is way overboard trying to tarnish everyone to the left of Bush as anti-American "root and branch", whatever that means. Paul, I appreciate your post. It's more even tempered than my initial response to the article. Bless you. However, my point remains. If folk which to post articles which try to pin the tail of anti-Americanism on anyone who criticizes Bush, present US policy, whatever, then I intend to call them on it and will be happy to argue the contents of the post, the political strategy of trying to paint your political opponents as anti-American, and, most important to me, where that leads political discourse in this country. Bill Clinton observed in his speech to the DLC within the past several days that one of the differences between the Dems and the Reps was that the Reps had a destruction machine. I would hope that the Dems don't try to create their own destruction machine. That way leads to the same thing that disturbs me about these kinds of posts here--political discourse becomes a game of who can paint the other as unpatriotic. Well, I should be quiet. I've said this far too much and far too often on this thread. I'm not even certain it's on topic. If it is, perhaps we could continue this conversation. It's one I feel very deeply about, as should be obvious; it's something that keeps coming up on the thread but we never really go into it in any depth; and it's something you and I might be able to discuss without getting into a food fight. Wonder what FL would think of that? What do you think of that?