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Politics : America Under Siege: The End of Innocence -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (20830)	12/23/2002 1:43:58 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

"Doesn't stop the PLO from claiming that Jews have nothing to do with Arabs or the land of Israel. Arafat just fired Nusseibeh for the heresy of admitting that Jews do, indeed, have some historical connection to Jerusalem." And as a friend of Israel, i must interject here that Israelis must not make the same mistake about Arab "historical connection" to the land as well. There is a body of belief in Likud that argues just that. Sharon has not bought into that belief (yet) which leads to the end of a two state solution with israel becoming a pariah state,like South Africa was. Of course many would rightfully say that israel has already gained pariah state status while Palestinian terror gets a free pass. And of course this perception by Israelis makes it easier for them to say the hell with it and seize the land the terrorists operate from and send the arabs there packing. A terrible web whose origins to be sure rest with Arab inability since 1947 to accept the reality of Israel. But one that can lead to greater tragedies down the road if the Israels fail to learn from Palestinain mistakes and try to take away the hope of a palestinian state. mike

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (20830)	12/24/2002 4:11:46 AM
From: zonder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

Hi Nadine - Long time no see <g> admitting that Jews do, indeed, have some historical connection to Jerusalem Of course. The same "historical connection" that Greeks have to Western Anatolia, native Indians have to America, etc. Re Zero - I looked around a bit, and it seems my 7th grade mathematics teacher (who was American, by the way, so no bias towards the Arabs there that I can think of) was wrong. Thanks for pointing that out. While Arabs were great scientists and scholars a thousand years ago, please name some recent discoveries. I would not try to. Science does not flourish well in religious environments, as I have said in the post you replied to. Still, the point was not to try and prove Arabs are great scientists. It was to refute the claim, reached through a logical fallacy, that the rarity of Arab scientists (Nobel winners in particular) must mean that they do not have the "ability to think on multiple levels": Message 18363315 The reason I said that in history there are quite a few of them was to refute the claim that there is something in the Arab genetic pool that prevents them from being scientists. News to me that Egypt, Syria or Iraq have relgious governments. Gee. The dominance of religion in these countries would not be such news to you if you had ever spent a few days in one of them. Nobody said anything about "religious governments". What I meant, obviously, is that religion is everywhere, in schools, in the mentality of the people, and science (i.e. 'questioning God's will') is not encouraged. Its not easy to figure out exactly what went wrong in that part of the world, but easy excuses are not going to make matters clearer. What excuses?