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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (7868)	1/5/2003 1:34:00 PM
From: tony	Respond to of 306849

A friend informed me that the full time jobs that are being advertised are not real jobs, but are being advertised to make H1-B get Green Card, HR dept is also involved in this scam. This H1-B program is full of scam & corruption. IMHO.

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (7868)	1/5/2003 1:34:48 PM
From: Jim McMannis	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

RE:"I have a theory about some of the H1-B reverse discrimination against Americans though. I think once a foreign worker gets into some sort of management position in one of these big IT shops - as is the case with Applied Materials for example- they start discriminating in their new hires and only take others from their same country of origin. An american worker would never do this... we have diversity and affirmative action engrained in our psyche. But foreign workers have no such sense. You would think the upper management at Applied would sense something was amiss with an Oracle IT department composed solely of H1-Bs from Bangalore. After all Oracle is an american company from down the street. But Applied management chooses to look the other way, they don't want to bother with this - they have enough trouble with their in-house IT staffing and systems anyway" Excellent observation. This also goes on in other places as well. Well did all this unilateral affirmative action start, anyway?

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (7868)	1/5/2003 1:43:18 PM
From: John Chen	Respond to of 306849

Lizzie,re:"jobs..H1B..outsourcing". Remember this, it is the 1st innining of a 9-inning game, baring any overtime. Talk about game, I suggested NBA/any pro-sport should have a 'earning-per-game cap', at least the 'video game' makers should create such simulation. To make it simpler, say $100/game for each team. So if you have a superstar making $1 per hour, he can only play 100 minutes per game, if he is the only player on the court. Assuming the superstar needs some help and ther is no overtime (NBA), there are $52 dollar for other player/min. Actually, there should also be a cap on : total heights, total weight. This will create demand on high-tech jobs, US programmers is better in this case since there is no NBA in India or China.

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (7868)	1/5/2003 3:46:09 PM
From: fatty	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 306849

>Wow! I had no idea that it was illegal to lay off a US citizen and replace them with an H1-B. I'm no expert on H1-B but I think there might be some truth in it. From what I understand, H1-Bs are issued only when the employer has demonstrated difficulty in finding a citizen or permanent resident to fill the same position. When the H1-B wants to get the greencard, the employer has to publicly post the H1-B's position to solicit citizen/permanent resident to apply for that position. It's only after the employer failed to fill that position could the H1-B qualify to apply for green card. From my experience, there are lots of abuses with this process. In effort to keep the H1-B (who usually works much harder and endures more promotion/raise discriminations), the employer often exeggerated the H1-B's qualifications and responsibilities to make sure that no body ever wanted to apply for that job. I'm sure if some lawyer is willing, he can easily make a class action lawsuit against any big IT coporations.