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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (3213)	2/3/2003 7:42:11 AM
From: William B. Kohn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 15987

Let's be honest about the UN. It has failed to stop terror, it does nothing to curb rouge governments from attacks on their own, provides very little support to peace in the world, and has actually been involved in repeated situations where massacres were happening only to do nothing to stop them. Why should the US remain in the UN with or without another resolution on IRAQ? Has the UN proven itself as the type of body that ought to be in place to support world peace? We ought to lead a charge to the EXIT doors, and kick the institution out. I suggest it move its headquarters to Somalia, or Grozny.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (3213)	2/3/2003 8:11:56 AM
From: zonder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 15987

Or are you merely disagreeing just to be contrarian?? :0) Would I ever? :-) And we'll likely continue to do so in those cases where we think we: 1.) get away with it politically and militarily.. In the short term, you (the US) will be able to "get away with it", thanks to its overwhelming military power. The longer term might be a different story - loss of the legitimacy of that authority, increased hostility towards Americans, etc. 2.) It is in the US vital interest.. A lot of things can be in the interests of the US. There is also something called playing fair and according to rules (i.e. international treaties & agreements) and not like a bully. 3.) It increases UN leverage over the UN with the goal of reinforcing the values the US originally designed the UN to achieve. As in, the other countries did not and cannot now have a say in the "values" of the UN? Its charter is pretty clear, actually. And its mandate seems to be peaceful resolution of differences, not preemptive invasions. 4.).. anything else I think of after I have my coffee.. :0) Brilliant :-) This reminds me of George Orwell's "Animal Farm". I think it was the pigs who said "All animals are equal, but some are more equal then others"...