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To: Elsewhere who wrote (71870)	2/6/2003 2:16:41 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

JJ, You do understand the point though. It is not to insult Germany at all. It is to point out how ludricous it is for German policy to be nearly identical to that of Lybia and Cuba and opposed to the US. It is a message to the German government but perhaps more to the German people about what short memories and good friends are all about. I suspect Germany can maintain its pacific nature without undoing a 58 year old friendship. mike

To: Elsewhere who wrote (71870)	2/6/2003 6:21:35 PM
From: Condor	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Jochen, Rumsfeld lumps Germany with Libya, Cuba on Iraq famulus.msnbc.com; It is very disheartening isn't? A major power and alliance trivialized in a blink. This cannot be sound Foreign Policy. It does not bode well for the future. C

To: Elsewhere who wrote (71870)	2/8/2003 11:57:18 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

From Der Spiegel: >>PEACE INITIATIVE - "old Europe" plans a blue helmet invasion in the Iraq Germany and France work on an alternative plan for the disarmament Iraq. UN soldiers are to occupy and the work of the supervisors secure the country, announce the MIRROR. The invasion would take place with German participation. Momentarily the secret plan is agreed upon with Russia and China. Berlin - thus US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld had probably hardly counted: While it recruited at the Munich safety conference used eloquently for an unyielding course against Saddam Hussein, already plans of it as "old Europe" zoegerlich scoffed into all secretness the invasion - an invasion with German participation. In all-last minute Germany and France in a diplomatic Parforceritt try to nevertheless still receive the peace at the gulf. They work on a plan for the complete disarmament Iraq. The secret project "Mirage" plans that thousands of the armed blue helmet soldier of the United Nations march into the Iraq, in order to make the work possible of the supervisors. Under their protection the supervisors could set to an enormous "house search" of the entire country. The blue helmets would take over for many years actually control of the country and would guarantee a "durable disarmament regime" - then also with German participation: "if this idea of a durable disarmament regime intersperses itself, then Germany is thereby", said a cabinet member to the MIRROR. Since beginning of the yearly chancellorship and Elysée palace work on the disarming model. "simple only no say are enough now no longer out", thus Schroeder in an internal situation round. After the concept, which possibly as French-German draft resolution was to be brought into the Security Council, the entire Iraq was explained as the grounding zone. French reconnaissance planes of the type "Mirage IV" would support the work of the supervisors, whose number was trebled from air. US soldiers are to secure the peace invasion The Mirage jets equipped with special monitoring cameras would get support according to plan by German Luna drones and American U2-Spionageflugzeuge. A central permanent coordination center in the Iraq, on behalf of supervising inspector Hans Blix, would possibly supervise the inspections. The 200,000 US soldiers, who are approximately stationed around the Iraq, are to remain as threatening window blind in position, in order to secure the peaceful invasion. The Iraq would be only formal according to the plan practically a protectorate of the UN, Saddam rulers of its country. Thereby if the moderate forces in the country should strengthen and implode to Saddams regime due to the Knebelung, that approving of in purchase one take, would however not be not the first goal of the exercise, said a chancellor advisor. A engmaschiges network of sanctions would intensify control of the regime. In addition count Iraq apart from intensified export controls in the industrialized countries also international agreements with the neighbour states, in order to prevent oil smuggling, one of the most important sources of income of the regime. The plan is sounded out at present with several critics of the US strategy, among them the Greek Prime Minister and acting European Union advice president Kostas Simitis, Russian president Vladimir Putin and the designate Chinese president Hu Jintao.<< 216.239.35.120

To: Elsewhere who wrote (71870)	2/8/2003 12:02:16 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

In English - >>Germany, France Said to Seek U.N. Peacekeepers for Iraq Instead of War By Tony Czuczka Associated Press Writer Published: Feb 8, 2003 BERLIN (AP) - Germany and France are working on a broad disarmament plan for Iraq designed to avoid war, including the deployment of U.N. soldiers throughout the country, reconnaissance flights and a tripling of the number of weapons inspectors, a magazine reported Saturday. The weekly Der Spiegel said the plan would have international peacekeepers "in effect take control of the country for years," declare all of Iraq a no-fly zone and lead to agreements with Iraq's neighbors to crack down on smuggled exports of Iraqi oil as part of strengthened economic sanctions. The governments in Berlin and Paris - which are opposed to a war on Iraq - have been working on the plan since the start of the year, the report said. A German government spokesman said Germany and France are "jointly considering specific peaceful alternatives to a military solution" in Iraq. The spokesman, speaking on customary condition of anonymity, refused to comment on details of the report. The joint plan could be presented to the U.N. Security Council in the form of a resolution, Der Spiegel said, adding that Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder sees a need to move beyond his strict anti-war stand, which has angered the United States. As part of intensified sanctions against Iraq, Western countries would tighten export control laws, the report said. Reconnaissance flights to aid the inspectors on the ground in their search for weapons would be carried out by French Mirage IV jets. Der Spiegel said Germany and France are sounding out other critics of the U.S. approach about their plan, including Russia, China and Greece.<< ap.tbo.com This is, of course, the coercive inspection regime that was floated as a compromise by various factions in the US PRIOR to adoption of UN 1441. And, of course, it was shot down by, if memory serves me, the French, the Germans, the Russians, and the Chinese. Ho, hum. Is this "good cop, bad cop," or what? Looks like it to me. "Look here, Saddam. You see George Bush over there? He's about to go medieval on your ass. Your only salvation is to cooperate with me. Let these nice blue-helmeted UN soldiers in, and no one gets hurt." Check, mate, game. Will Saddam play?