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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (72836)	2/10/2003 12:48:19 PM
From: Karen Lawrence	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Early today, France, Germany and Belgium blocked the automatic start of NATO procedures for the military planning to protect Turkey, arguing it would force the crisis into a "logic of war" when diplomatic alternatives still stood a chance of success. "It would signify that we have already entered into the logic of war, that ... any chance, any initiative to still resolve the conflict in a peaceful way was gone," Belgian Foreign Minister Louis Michel said. latimes.com

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (72836)	2/10/2003 12:55:01 PM
From: Sultan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Little blurp in canadian paper today.. Saudis plan to ask US to leave once Saddam goes away or Iraq is unarmed.. They also are thinking of some reforms that will have public participation in terms of elected body to counter clerics hold on social change.. Other changes happening there (from some one who has worked there for at least 13 years and is still there.. As you know a lot of highly paid positions in Saudis in terms of technical and specialized skills are staffed by foreigners.. Pressure has been mounting to gradually get rid of them.. Hence, on contract expiry it is harder to get extension and working environment has now a lot more stress (train a Saudi to take over your job) so at least one person I know has decided gravy train is almost over and time to get back to North America)

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (72836)	2/10/2003 1:37:37 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>> In Bin Laden's statements, and in the statements of all the other leaders of militant Islam, they have never said they want to impose their culture on us.<< Not true. They want to establish the Khilafah, which is one Islamic government worldwide, based on Shariah law, similar to what the Taliban established in Afghanistan, under bin Laden's direction. Among his grievances are the reconquista of Spain and the loss of the Ottoman empire. He wants those places back under Muslim rule. That would included the Balkans, and Turkey, which has a secular government. He also wants to establish Muslim rule in Chechenya and Somalia. If you look at the writings by his fellow travellers, they want to establish Muslim rule world wide.