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To: carranza2 who wrote (73639)	2/13/2003 5:56:43 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

I don't think the result would have been any different but the atmosphere probably would be a bit less poisonous. I think the people overseas take their cue from our media, and the Press and TV has played it from day one that our Admin is just in from a cattle drive, rowling the floor with their spurs as the get drunk and hooraw the the town. Nonsense. Let's take Rummy. He made the remark tieing the Euros to Cuba and Libya and our "professionals" got the vapors. Rummy has been around Washington for over 35 years, and the man never engages his mouth before turning on his brain. This remark was deliberate. Everything being done is deliberate. We know from Woodward's book that they planned to go into Iraq right after 911, and they have taken this long to set it up. The only "Cowboying" being done is in the mind of the liberal observers. Things would be going a lot easier if the media was not fighting what we are doing. But if you are on the right, and running the country, you have to take your lumps.

To: carranza2 who wrote (73639)	2/13/2003 6:03:25 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I don't think the result would have been any different but the atmosphere probably would be a bit less poisonous. You may have a point there but Clinton remains my litmus test. I mean, there was a President who knew how to talk their talk and schmooze them. Very popular with European audiences, I understand. Did the French treat his proposals any better? No. And in some cases the end result was that Clinton didn't manage to do what he tried to do. IMO, Clinton's FP players weren't as strong, and much of his policy seemed to be formulated on an ad hoc basis. In this case, Bush is really determined to get results, which means he would really have to bang some heads together even if his entire administration were diplomatic geniuses. So I don't know how much of difference it would have made.

To: carranza2 who wrote (73639)	2/14/2003 11:17:50 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Let us look at it from a different angle. Would the atmosphere be less poisonous if numerous Leftish European journalists had not questioned Bush's competency? How about if they were more honest about the Kyoto Treaty, and understanding of the Administrations reservations, instead of painting the refusal to move forward on Kyoto as indifference to a global threat? In the longer term, how about the declared intention of having the EU evolve into a counter- weight to the United States, which seems to belie the importance of NATO and Atlanticism? Could that be a source of antagonism? I think that the Europeans have to learn that they cannot behave in a high-handed manner towards the United States, rather than expecting the United States to prove itself to the "wiser heads" of Europe.....