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To: cosmicforce who wrote (4509)2/16/2003 2:32:44 PM
From: The Philosopher  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 7720
 
I'm not trying to make the case that it's irrelevant.

I'm hoping we can set a standard here, which is not met in any other political thread in SI, of rational, civilized discussion of issues.

I don't think it a matter of bigotry to think the lives of those you are responsible for are of more value than those of outsiders. That's been the nature of human beings since there were human beings. My family comes first for me. I hope your family comes first for you. That's not bigotry. That's the way things should be.

Bush is the leader of our country. I would certainly hope than when push comes to shove he favors American lives over others. That doesn't mean he doesn't have a concern for other lives. I don't personally see any evidence of that. But if he didn't put Americans first, I sure wouldn't want him as my national leader.



To: cosmicforce who wrote (4509)2/19/2003 12:03:43 AM
From: The Philosopher  Respond to of 7720
 
In one way or another we are all bigots, so calling him one isn't particularly informative.

And I certainly hope that Americans put more value on American lives than on non-American lives. Not that we don't value non-American lives. But family is family, and country is country.



To: cosmicforce who wrote (4509)2/19/2003 12:40:32 PM
From: TimF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 7720
 
Clearly, the lives of unfree, civilian "colateral" Iraqis and Afghanis are of less value than those of Americans.

When the president of the US makes a decision I think he should value the lives of Americans more highly then the lives of others.

In any case a reasonable argument can be made that more years of Saddam + sanctions will cause more death and suffering then an invasion.

Tim