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Politics : Let's Start The War And Get It Over With -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: PartyTime who wrote (163)	2/28/2003 10:25:23 AM
From: Vitas	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 808

actually Potty, I quoted you word for word: compare below to my post about which you LIE: Message 18639512 To:Mark Konrad who wrote (13836) From: PartyTime Friday, Feb 28, 2003 2:22 AM View Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13890 Irrefutable proof that Saddam was involved in 9/11. That he kicked the weapons inspectors out, when he didn't is insufficient reason; that he's not in compliance with a UN Resolution, when others like Israel are as well, is insufficient reason; that he used gas in previous warfare when his warring opponent did as well, is insufficient; that America has to liberate people who've not asked to be liberated is an insufficient reason; that America has unilaterally decided to change governments in the Middle East is also an insufficient reason. Bush's invasion would be a clear violation of international law. Moreover, he used bogus information, pre-election, in order to convince Democrats to support a resolution favoring military action--this resolution should be immediately rescinded. Here are the three principles for a just war: a) Self-defense of one's self or an ally. b) That all remedies to prevent a war have been exhausted. c) That the war itself will not cause more harm than not having the war. The present situation does not fit into any of the above criteria and the very large body of world opinion supports this, as do the governments of most countries on the face of the earth.

To: PartyTime who wrote (163)	2/28/2003 11:33:50 AM
From: Vitas	Respond to of 808

Chief weapons inspector Hans Blix said Baghdad's disarmament efforts had been "very limited so far," fueling U.S. and British arguments that Iraq is failing to comply with its obligations. Russia May Veto Iraq War Resolution 48 minutes ago By DAFNA LINZER, Associated Press Writer UNITED NATIONS - Russia warned on Friday that it might veto a U.S. war resolution before the sharply divided U.N. Security Council. But Pakistan — a Muslim nation that could be a key swing vote — signaled growing support for Washington. Special Coverage France, which along with Russia has led opposition to a war, said Iraq's decision to comply with a U.N. order to destroy missiles proves that inspections are working. Deep divisions in the Security Council showed no signs of closing Friday after Iraqi sources said the destruction of the Al Samoud 2 missiles would begin on Saturday, despite grumbling by Baghdad that the missiles do not violate U.N.-imposed range limits. The United States, Britain and Spain are pushing a resolution that would open the door for war, while Russia, China and France are calling for continued weapons inspections and a diplomatic end to the crisis. Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov said Russia could use its veto power to block military action. "Russia has the right to a veto in the U.N. Security Council and will use it if it is necessary in the interests of international stability," Ivanov said at a news conference in Beijing. In Paris, French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin said Iraq's consent on the missile order was "an important step" and "confirms that inspectors are getting results." He would not say whether France would use its veto against the U.S-backed resolution. At the White House, press secretary Ari Fleischer (news - web sites) dismissed the idea that the Iraqi decision reflected progress toward disarmament. "This is the deception the president predicted. We do expect that they will destroy at least some of their missiles," he said. But President Bush (news - web sites) won't settle for anything less than full disarmament, Fleischer said. "The Iraqi regime is a deception wrapped in a lie." Chief weapons inspector Hans Blix said Baghdad's disarmament efforts had been "very limited so far," fueling U.S. and British arguments that Iraq is failing to comply with its obligations. Diplomats privately described the atmosphere in the council as bitter and demoralizing, but many held out hope that a compromise could be reached among the council's five major powers. In Islamabad, a senior government source, speaking on condition of anonymity, told The Associated Press that Pakistan will likely vote with the United States at the council. Pakistan is a key U.S. ally in the war on terror, but its powerful religious leaders oppose war with Iraq. Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf met separately Friday with envoys from both the United States and Iraq, each seeking to sway Islamabad. Musharraf "underlined Iraq's responsibility for complete and immediate verifiable disarmament," said a government statement. Pakistani officials say voting against the United States is not an option, though they say it could abstain. But despite signs of new support, Washington is still shy of the nine votes it needs to get the resolution adopted. Some council members said they could support the U.S. plan if it was open to negotiation. A senior U.S. diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity, hinted there may be some wiggle room but not on substance. The leaders of the United States' strongest backers, Britain and Spain, dismissed Baghdad's decision to comply with the missile order. Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) "never makes any concessions at all other than with the threat of force hanging over him," British Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites) said Friday after talks with his Spanish counterpart, Jose Maria Aznar. Aznar said he was confident the resolution would win approval. "We want to the find the biggest and the widest agreement within the Security Council," he said. "We hope that increasing pressure on the Iraqi regime will be the best way to serve the wishes of peace of so many millions of people and countries around the world." In a letter to Blix on Thursday, Iraq agreed "in principle" to destroy the Al Samoud 2 missiles, which were found to have a range exceeding the 93-mile limit set by the Security Council at the end of the 1991 Persian Gulf War (news - web sites). Sources in Baghdad on Friday confirmed the destruction would begin Saturday, the deadline set by Blix. Iraq maintains some of the missiles overshot the limit because they were tested without warheads or guidance systems, making them lighter. In the letter, Iraq said it believes the decision to destroy the missiles was "unjust," and politically motivated. Blix will appear before the council next week to discuss the findings in his 17-page report which details the work of his staff in Iraq over the past three months. In a key section of the report, a draft copy of which was obtained by The Associated Press, Blix says Saddam could have made greater efforts "to find remaining proscribed items or credible evidence showing the absence of such items." While Blix noted some recent Iraqi cooperation, he said: "It is hard to understand why a number of the measures which are now being taken could not have been initiated earlier." Nonetheless, he noted in a recent interview that inspections resumed only in November after a four-year break and asked: "Is it the right time to close the door?" story.news.yahoo.com

To: PartyTime who wrote (163)	2/28/2003 11:44:21 AM
From: Vitas	Respond to of 808

Bill Clinton on Iraq: clinton4.nara.gov PRESIDENT CLINTON: I believe that the speech I gave at the Pentagon was quite clear about that. We want to significantly reduce his capacity to produce chemical and biological weapons, and his capacity to deliver them and to visit them on his people, his neighbors and people throughout the world. I believe the more the American people learn about the dangers of chemical and biological warfare and the kinds of problems they can do -- to us now and in the future, the stiffer their resolve will be. And so I feel that time is on our side. And I believe that 10 years from now, and not in the heat of this moment, 15 years from now, when people look back at this time, they will want to look back at a period when those of us in positions of responsibility fulfilled our responsibility by trying to rid the world of this danger. Thank you.

To: PartyTime who wrote (163)	2/28/2003 11:54:41 AM
From: Vitas	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 808

"Some people just have a hard time tolerating the fact that there are other people out there that have different opinions than their own." Message 18640648

To: PartyTime who wrote (163)	2/28/2003 12:15:55 PM
From: Vitas	Respond to of 808

"Certainly race is still an issue in this country, but I believe the demohacks have made so much political hay about race over the years that they've scared all minorities into believing the Republicans are monsters... I was a demohack most all my life, I only recently migrated over the great divide after seeing so much waste and failed social programs... LBJ's Great Society is a failed experiment, I'm certainly disappointed, I was a demohack and even voted for Clinton twice, then I saw the errors of my political ways... I was being duped, and have been duped by the demohack party into believing they really cared about people, but they only care about their political agenda... they still fool a lot of people, but I think people are getting wise to their meaningless hype..." GZ Message 18361225

To: PartyTime who wrote (163)	3/1/2003 8:15:08 AM
From: Vitas	Respond to of 808

>>>Here is the full text of the conversation that you wilfully and wrongfully distorted:<<< I quoted you word for word >>>It's truth butcherers like yourself<<< I quoted you word for word I pointed this fact out to you: Message 18640154 your response: "Fetus, obviously you're in the very early stages of your brain development. Enjoy your tragic war; your war's victims won't!" see how disoriented you are? try reading this after a cup of coffee, not something else you have joined a select club of which Raymond Duray is the charter founder your reputation precedes you