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To: Clappy who wrote (57546)	3/25/2003 8:08:38 PM
From: Sully-	Respond to of 65232

"You are the only person on SI who does not understand what many people have tried to tell you." I completely understand clappy. Folks just hate being faced with the reality that they have repeatedly lied, deceived & distorted & the facts. And when I present irrefutable proof of this it really pisses those people off. Nothing hurts worse than the truth under those circumstances. "But you just don't seem to get the point and you probably never will due to your hard headedness." Oh I get it clappy. The point was that as our discussion progressed, you couldn't stop fron resorting to wild unsupportable specultaion that has absolutely no basis in fact. I pointed it out & you have to resort to the oh so typical name calling & derrision rather than resuming a factual, honest discussion. "Many people are being polite about it but try not to push them too far. Otherwise you will find yourself all alone." "Flattery makes friends and truth makes enemies." Spanish Proverb Men occasionally stumble on the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. Sir Winston Churchill "How many will listen to the truth when you tell them?" Yiddish Proverb "An insincere and evil friend is more to be feared than a wild beast; a wild beast may wound your body, but an evil friend will wound your mind." Buddha "Respect for the truth comes close to being the basis for all morality." Frank Herbert "There is honor even among thieves." English Proverb "Only a brave person is willing to honestly admit, and fearlessly to face, what a sincere and logical mind discovers." Rodan of Alexandria

To: Clappy who wrote (57546)	3/25/2003 8:11:05 PM
From: Sully-	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 65232

Here are a few clappyisms spoken recently. They are his own words so he should not have any problem having them repeated here to give our recent discussion some background.............. claptonsguitar said the following recently........ "Are all you humans as stupid as that fuckin' president of yours?" "Shrub did everything he could think of to get this war." "I hope the news media continues to show it in as horrid as it is so that many will understand why we should never do anything like this again. This is just terrible. Bush has blood on his hands. This should have never happened." "Our President is exercising his Moral responsibility to the people in his pocket. Big Oil and the defense industry." "I just can't but feel that this war is a convenient solution to a problem. Convenient for the administration. And as it works through we will see that it was not all that convenient. And as more problems arise from this war, the more they will try to solve it with force instead of diplomacy. Greed does horrible things. That's what this war is about. Greed. But how do you stop greed?" :roserrsp posted this..... let's have a thought tonight for the innocent people of iraq who are about to experience hell perhaps as early as tomorrow in the form of daisy bombs and MOAB filled with shrapnel exploding in their midst. clappy responded...... I don't think we aim to drop those on the innocent people of Iraq. Only on the ones who are guilty of being patriotic and love their country so much they are willing to defend it. They got it coming to them. -GeorgeDubya'sBush "Postwar profiteers How a handful of construction firms got an early invitation to rebuild Iraq A select group of U.S. construction firms now bidding on a lucrative government contract to rebuild a postwar Iraq " "The Bush Admin failed at diplomacy because it want to. There weren't the proper incentives to succeed........ It's all about incentives. You find what you want to find. You succeed when you want to succeed. So when we begin to run low on other natural resources will it be okay to invade them too? Just because a resource is valuable and high priced not mean it is used a "WMED"." I still think the world sees this invasion as another step in securing for ourselves strategic places for military bases and low cost energy. Everything else all conveiniently fits along with our story... It's a win-win situation for President Cheney and his buddies." "I notice a lot of republicans often walking around like they just ate a bitter sour pickle. Their faces are often all puckered and tight lipped. (You know, almost like that odd face that Shrub makes when he's searching for a two syllable word to say. Sorta like that.)" <I said this about scott & his buddies>........ "I've seen more civil behavior from monkeys in trees shrieking at the top of their lungs while throwing their feces at each other." Clappy replied.......... "Our president and his administration should know better than to devise policy based upon the above. The only difference is that their feces have sophisticated electronics attached to it that make them smart-feces, right?" "Yeah I think the band is rounded out by a few other top notch musicians. There's Tommy "Color Code" Ridge on the keyboard. On the horn you got Spastic Colin Powell. And the strung out lead singer is Georgie "Hide The Blow" Bush. They've been trying to get him to play an instrument but can't seem to figure out all the note configurations on that triangle yet." "Fug Chirak, Were gonna bomb Iraq tonight. When the clock strikes eight and eventually nine Shrub and Dick will be saying Soon that oil will be all mine" "Fug Chirak, Were gonna bomb Iraq tonight. When the clock strives ten eleven and twelve Who ever thought of the lows this adiministration would delve" "Ridge's Secret Police has computers that will sniff this out and soon I'll be seeing new bushes and shrubs on my property that continually speak into their coat sleeves..." "Shock and Awe" Russian Expert Predicts 500,000 Iraqi Dead in War Designed To Test Weapons "Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Pace" By Erik Kirschbaum "many see the fact that there are a lot of ties with the adminstation and the companies who will benefit in the nation building/rebuilding." "In addition many see the rush having to do with the election clock. Does the 2004 election weigh higher than the lives of our troops and Iraqi children? One may believe the administration sees it that way." "Will lowered oil help put a bandaid on our economy for a brief time period before the election? Possibly. Will the tax cuts? Possibly. Is there any thought about the current deficit? Not now." "Does this administration's thinking appear to be trying to find a solution that benefits themselves? Possibly. The world now sees us as a bully instead the great country we are. " "To them we don't appear to wise and caring. Perhaps we are een as greedy. We are positioning ourselves in a strategic manner to ensure energy cost will remain low. In addition it gives us the illusion that we have illiminated the threat of terrorism. " "Now I realize that the top brass see the importance of us building bases in the mid east. Perhaps much of this has to do with an attempt to better position ourselves against China." "I think the world sees our disguised security attempts to be aimed more at positioning against our competition. After all National Security makes it all seem like a legitimate reason to do things we ordinarily would not be able to get away with." "But right now I don't see how we are doing anything other than divide a world that appeared to be all growing together." <ajonesy said> "When will Dubya realize that he is on a chessboard not a checkerboard? clappy replied "That is an excellent way of describing it. " <Then Chris Considine said> "Problem is, Cheney won't tell him how to play Chess..... Bush just keeps yelling KING ME!" And clappy replied "Bush just keeps yelling KING ME! LOL!" 'nuff said for sure! Ö¿Ö Message 18713702 Message 18722284 Message 18741711 Message 18744565 Message 18745298 Message 18720549 Message 18724606 Message 18729960 Message 18739658 Message 18741204 Message 18743892 Message 18751199 Message 18752023 Message 18752095

To: Clappy who wrote (57546)	3/26/2003 9:11:22 AM
From: im a survivor	Respond to of 65232

<<You are a broken record Tim. You are the only person on SI who does not understand what many people have tried to tell you. I was happy that it appeared we were finished with this conversation. But you just don't seem to get the point and you probably never will due to your hard headedness. I've tried to be polite about it but now I think I'll simply try my best to ignore you. You place far too much importance in your crusade to tell people what they feel is wrong. You drone on and write diatribes on what you think is correct and feel that no one is allowed to feel differently. You are becoming quite a bore. Many people are being polite about it but try not to push them too far. Otherwise you will find yourself all alone. Good luck in your valiant crusade to to correct the injustices of opinion. In your world there must not be many things of higher importance. -Clappy >> Clappy, excellent post. Couldn't have written it better myself. It really is a shame that Tim just does not get it. he does not see what others clearly see, and so many people have the same opinion of him, can they all be wrong, and he is right? I don't think so. Hope you have been well, Keith