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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (9)	4/30/2003 1:11:44 PM
From: smolejv@gmx.net	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 520

Hi SZ: you could take religion out of "organize[d] religion" and the menace would stay: the power and repression structures. But that (as Moustache in Irma La Douce would say) that's another story. Regards dj

To: Sun Tzu who wrote (9)	4/30/2003 7:29:24 PM
From: Ann Corrigan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 520

The reason religions are so hypocritical is because they were all created by frail human beings. Everything was a threat to the earliest humans. The "holy" man, being the most clever man in the group, saw an opportunity to become the most powerful member of the community. He told the frightened & confused masses that he had been sent as God"s messenger. The sheep followed & obeyed all the rules lest they burn in hell. In this day of computer science & space travel, I am completely amazed that the obedient sheep still follow & believe all the rantings of fire & brimstone. A God who can only lead with terroristic threats is not worthy of anyone's love. Therefore, individual philosophies of life will someday become every person's private religion. Love thy neighbor as thyself is the best directive to be salvaged from thousands of yrs of human religious belief. The reason organized religions have resulted in so much slaughter & cruelty thru the centuries is because everyone wants to believe they know the absolute truth & anyone who believes otherwise is stupid & dangerous. That's silly. We inherit our religion from our parents.....they are all human creations & a supreme diety had nothing to do with them. How foolish would be a Creator who allowed his followers to slaughter each other in His name. It's totally illogical.

To: Sun Tzu who wrote (9)	5/5/2003 6:42:50 PM
From: Volsi Mimir	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 520

Amen, Brothers and Sisters, If there is one thing in my life I have always opposed, it has been organized religion. However for social values, organized religion provides wealth and security of mind and "spirit" for those seeking continuity. Religion was the answer to world's oldest questions and fears, especially death. And when it became organized (and secret), the lust of power overtakes the good message, a typical human response. How about being a Transhumanist? jpreason.com fun read, but again susceptible to the same human traditions, no? I am reading Sex & the Origins of Death by William R. Clark where he shows (his research and many others) that single cell organisms can (if in ideal conditions) be immortal and once sex was initiated and evolved that senescence and "programmed" death results on a cellular scale.(Sex is defined as a transfer of DNA). An easy read even for a simple mind like mine (not kidding), explaining death in a scientific yet creative tale of a man having a heart attack. Overall a fun subject that will open a can of worms and let the genie out of the bottle......... My favorite Christian character is Peligius(1)(well, besides the Cathars) and my favorite Greek is Archytas(2) and at one time my favorite Physicist was Hugh Everett(3) and wrote a poem a long while back in SI about beliefs, cynically: Message 10183067 a lousy poem. (1)http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/heresy06.htm (2)http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Archytas.html (3)http://www.hedweb.com/manworld.htm