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Pastimes : History's effect on Religion -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Sun Tzu who wrote (53)	5/7/2003 11:56:20 AM
From: zonder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 520

Re branching vs changing - Maybe we should continue this conversation later. It seems simple enough for me that branching due to difference in opinion does not mean a change in the original religion, which continues along with the newly formed sect, but perhaps it is not as evident for everyone. The only way you can say Islam did not change, is if you believe Islam ceased to exist and was replaced with several sects. That is exactly what I say - That the only way you can say Islam changed is if the original version ceased to exist and was replaced by a new one. E.T.'s examples are very illustrative, imho, and are much better examples of changes in religion than branching of sects while the original continues... Even there, I guess you would accept that a change in religion is a very rare bird indeed. How many DNA markers do you have in common the the white mice? I once read it is 80+%. So you are over 80% mouse. I have a better one for you - human DNA is 98% the same with that of gorillas. So what does that tell you? By the way, scientists don't know what 90% of human DNA does, so they have termed it "junk DNA". Of course it is not junk, we just don't know what it does... Which means you contain perhaps all of the DNA from your common ancestor with the mouse. IT lives inside you. You are out of the realm of scientific knowledge with this statement, unless you know of a very recent study that concludes DNA "lives". The current state of scientific knowledge suggests that DNA is a program code, no more "alive" than the code of Windows XP. According to its code of AGCT building blocks, it codes different types of protein, etc. Large chunks of it are translated to the next generation, but that does not mean they are alive or that the remote ancestor with whom you share common code is "alive" within you. In any case, all of this is very theoretical, since we don't know what 90% of our DNA even does... The original meaning of the word "Melat" means religious followers. I suspect this is the inspiration behind the word "nation" in "Nation of Islam". I thought you might be talking about "umma", that's why I asked. "Melat" doesn't have much of a religious undertone, but I don't know what the origins are that you are speaking of... Are you in for a surprise now. I was researching my answer to Brumar on Mithraism-Christianity connection and came across its relationship with Judaeism Yes, very interesting. (Pause here for the surprise :-) Do you think these changes were in relation to any historical event in particular?