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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (157275)	5/14/2003 11:26:57 PM
From: Victor Lazlo	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 164684

<<I'll tell you what they had in iraq, they had a society that would have overturned SH on their own and adopted capitalism most likely. >> That's what many people thought about Castro's Cuba many years ago. <<Iraq was one of the better countries in the ME as far as human rights are concerned particulaly for women. >> iraq under saddam was dreadful for women.

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (157275)	5/15/2003 12:27:50 AM
From: Oeconomicus	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 164684

Iraq was one of the better countries in the ME as far as human rights are concerned particulaly for women... ... maybe it takes a tyrant leader to keep this fundamentalism under control did anybody think of that? And what would you tolerate in the way of tyranny here to shut up those Americans you don't like? If you want to sell out your liberty, Liz, please leave this country first. I'm sure France would welcome you.

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (157275)	5/16/2003 8:18:14 AM
From: re3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 164684

<<<I'll tell you what they had in iraq, they had a society that would have overturned SH on their own is this (or was this) really realistic ? there was a comment in Atlantic Monthly about life in Russia under communist rule...someone inspected some apartments after the fall of the communists and found individual apartments were kept up beautifully but the common areas were in awful shape...the people were asked, why didn't you get together and try to maintain the halls, stairways, etc...they replied well, besides the fact that your neighbour might be an alcoholic, you couldn't really trust anybody, so everybody avoids everybody for fear of the state... so how could you really expect that people in Iraq would get together on overthrowing Sadaam, i read that people were afraid to even walk by the house of one of the son's...