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To: The Philosopher who wrote (2250)	6/19/2003 5:35:42 PM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

if Americans do something it is terrible but that if others do the same or far worse it is understandable and excusable. So should we condone American doing terrible things because everybody does it? How does America provide a moral example to the world if we have no true standard or principles to adhere to? You made your argument with extreme, isolated anecdotes. I have a niece who went to a Baptist summer camp because a friend was going; a lecture she had there claimed that Christians were the most persecuted religion in the history of mankind. I didn't tell her she should blame all Baptists or Christians; I just noted the guy was incredibly wrong. Americans were wrong to hold slaves, period. Sudanese are wrong to hold slaves, period. Anyone is wrong to hold slaves. Focusing on the negative is an effective way to get attention. You did it in your post. Media figures on both sides do it to get ratings. Politicians depend on slanted arguments to distort reality and take "the high ground". You cite one teacher with horrible view of the US judicial system and draw a conclusion from it. Nonsense. One in millions is a statistical proof? "Sadly not atypical" is a vague, unproven rhetorical device to avoid any serious examination of facts that are verifiable. No one deserves wanton terrorism against civilians, not in any country for any cause. Just don't imagine that anyone who disagrees with you on this thread is suddenly guilty of all the straw man arguments you sloppily constructed in your post. Nonsense.

To: The Philosopher who wrote (2250)	6/20/2003 2:43:12 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20773

Christopher, I find your argument about what constitutes anti-Americanism to be vacuous, malicious and, frankly un-American in its essence. Who has decided that we need to sugar-coat the history books so that there is no resemblance of truth in them? People like you. You really need to learn your American history better. Here's a perfect example of why it is so refreshing that we are now having a frank discussion of the hypocrisy of the Founding Fathers declaring Negroes to be 3/5 of a human being: scribblguy.50megs.com As you read this history of your government's anti-democratic and anti-people stances for the last 50 years, you might get the idea that the U.S. government is morphing into some sort of monstrous Evil Empire. You'd be right, of course. Because that is what the real history is telling you. Face facts, Chrisopher. This nation just stole the entire oil supply of a sovereign nation in an illegal and immoral invasion on the basis of a pack of lies. If that isn't anti-American, I don't know what is. ******** Re: works on the assumption that if Americans do something it is terrible but that if others do the same or far worse it is understandable and excusable. Show me one example of this. This is poppycock that you are creating out of your backside. You are lying, and you are delusional. I don't see how you expect to get away with such boorishness. Your unhealthy attitude about what and who is un-American is totally disappointing. George Bush is anti-American. Apparently you are willing to kiss his royal heinie, in a bold attempt to be on the winning, if immoral, team. How pathetic. Anyone with decency knows that American history is replete with self-dealing, corruption, racism, sleaze and periods of national insanity like the one we are in today. It's time for decency to make a comeback, and for George Bush and his band of criminal co-conspirators to be impeached, indicted and incarcerated. That would bring decency back to America. It would make a profound and wonderful addition to our nation's history books. -Ray