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To: Ilaine who wrote (102822)	6/25/2003 3:33:20 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I did not say that the land was almost uninhabited----- in 1920. I implied that it was almost uninhabited at the beginning of the 19th century, and said that many Arabs came towards the beginning of the 20th century and thereafter. There was no discrete national culture or history for a place called Palestine, it was a mere geographical designation. The Arabs there were not especially attached to it as a discrete entity before the War, but considered themselves to be Syrians, for the most part. You are, of course, wrong, the Romans threw the Jews out, and destroyed the Second Temple.

To: Ilaine who wrote (102822)	6/25/2003 3:40:54 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

In 63 BC, Judaea became a protectorate of Rome. Coming under the administration of a governor, Judaea was allowed a king; the governor's business was to regulate trade and maximize tax revenue. While the Jews despised the Greeks, the Romans were a nightmare. Governorships were bought at high prices; the governors would attempt to squeeze as much revenue as possible from their regions and pocket as much as they could. Even with a Jewish king, the Judaeans revolted in 70 AD, a desperate revolt that ended tragically. In 73 AD, the last of the revolutionaries were holed up in a mountain fort called Masada; the Romans had besieged the fort for two years, and the 1,000 men, women, and children inside were beginning to starve. In desperation, the Jewish revolutionaries killed themselves rather than surrender to the Romans. The Romans then destroyed Jerusalem, annexed Judaea as a Roman province, and systematically drove the Jews from Palestine. After 73 AD, Hebrew history would only be the history of the Diaspora as the Jews and their world view spread over Africa, Asia, and Europe. us-israel.org

To: Ilaine who wrote (102822)	6/25/2003 4:58:18 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Nadine is the one who keeps saying that there was no nation of Palestine, which is a bogus bit of rhetorical jiu-jitsu. The Ottomans ruled it, so it wasn't a sovereign nation, that's true, but it was still Palestine. The Romans named it Palestine 2000 years ago. Read the 1920 article you posted, CB. It speaks of a "Syrian province of Palestine". There was never a nation of Palestine, not from 135 CE, when the Romans deported most of the inhabitants of Judea and renamed the province Syria Palestina, until 1948, except for 200 years of the Crusader Kingdom. To the Arabs, Palestine was province of Southern Syria. If you had asked the Arab inhabitant in 1920 what country they lived in, the answer would have been "Syria." It was the non-Arabs, Crusaders and Jews - as the Arabs keep saying - who saw Palestine as a country.