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To: American Spirit who wrote (419984)	6/28/2003 3:04:02 PM
From: DavesM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

I have defended Gray Davis on this board, and do not wish to see him recalled. But, IMO, you don't know what you're writing about.

To: American Spirit who wrote (419984)	6/28/2003 3:15:28 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

I don't have to lie about Davis. The truth is quite bad enough. Oh, did you know recall is a legit process? Provided for in the state constitution? Tough medicine but temporary. A TEMPORARY TAX???? ROTFLMAO!!!!! And maybe more people will car-pool and fill our near-empty buses and trains. A typical ecofreak response. We've put in more carpool lanes, pushing more cars into the other lanes and made `things worse.

To: American Spirit who wrote (419984)	6/28/2003 3:50:14 PM
From: Gordon A. Langston	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769667

If not for the energy ripoffs, California would be in no worse situation than Texas and other GOP-run states. Bonds have already been sold to finance the power fiasco, so that problem is NOT in the present $30-39 billion deficit. Therefore, WE ARE IN A MUCH WORSE SITUATION THAN ANYSTATE. It's against the law to float bonds to finance the day to day government of CA and has been since 1879. Bonds have to be for single use, i.e. building schools, parks etc. Even if they raised a new revenue stream via an increase in the sales tax to pay the principal and interest THEY WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF STATE LAW. That's what Joe Davis is proposing, violating the law. How's that for details. The Constitution of the state will have to be changed to allow bonds to be sold for general use. That would mean the legislature no longer would have to ask permission via voter approval to sell bonds. The sky would be the limit.......wait .......they already think it is. The car tax will triple the taxes on people living in motorhomes, I bet they are not very happy campers, especially if they are living on fixed incomes. Joe can't be making very many friends by this illegal manuever and it is illegal, it will just take a couple of years for it to get through the courts. Many CA governors have been threatened with recall, some several times but Joe will be the first to acutally enjoy it. Recall is legal, he doesn't have to be accused of rape or theft, just incompetency in the minds of 10% of the voters. You can thank us later.

To: American Spirit who wrote (419984)	10/20/2003 12:06:56 PM
From: Original Mad Dog	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Looking for something else, I just ran across this post by you. And I quote: "Quit lying about Davis. He's the legit governor and knows better than anyone what the complex problems are now. He may not be exciting and charismatic but he's the most experienced guy we could possibly have in thre now." "You can't balance budgets unless you make hard choices. Sometimes that means taxes and revenues." "If you listen to Davis on the details instead of just attacking him you'd understand what he's doing, how he's trying to minimize the pain. You'll know he's doing the best he can." I recently posted you numbers on total state spending in California under Gray Davis. You never really responded to them. Here they are again.... look at these numbers and tell me, was Davis "doing the best he can"? Was he making "hard choices"? Were his spending increases (which you have tried to justify to me as appropriate because revenue was increasing) a sign that Davis "knows better than anyone what the complex problems are now"? Here are the figures (from the State of California, Legislative Analyst's Office): Grand Total of State Spending, California Fiscal Year 1994-95: $ 86.1B Fiscal Year 1995-96: $ 90.2B Fiscal Year 1996-97: $ 95.9B Fiscal Year 1997-98: $100.2B (Gray Davis elected, November 1998) Fiscal Year 1998-99: $109.6B Fiscal Year 1999-00: $122.2B Fiscal Year 2000-01: $137.7B Fiscal Year 2001-02: $145.8B Fiscal Year 2002-03: $166.8B Fiscal Year 2003-04: $154.7B (projected) lao.ca.gov