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To: RealMuLan who wrote (36287)7/19/2003 12:36:20 PM
From: BubbaFred  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 74559
 
Bunk!, the new China is still very fragile with enormous cost to upgrade the infrastructure and living condition. Don't forget many regions in China remain in abject poverty where industrial workers have lost and continue to lose their jobs and incomes as old inefficient factories have been closed down. It will take them 100 years, if not longer, to get to the same standard as that eastern Europe or South America. China needs a lot of help. SARS should be a reminder that their sanitary infrastructure system badly needs complete reconstruction and modernization. It is so wretchedly backward that there are 1000 peope looking to fill one single job that pays $1 to $5 a day.

All the paranoia abound is to stir up sinophobia. It always come up, every several generations. It used to be those commies, and now it's RMB, China's currency. What bogus and such a hoax unbelievable paranoia. It reminds me of the Japanese bashing in the late 80's, whereas English-US or US-German corporate mergers have been no big deal affaris. Perhaps many people still long for those days of the 30's and early 40's when Shanghai was sectored into the English, German, French, American, etc. quarters, and where Chinese coolies could not even enter nor seen in the front yard. They pumped those cocaine to the country to turn the population into zombies and coolies. Is this paranoia the start of propaganda with underlying motive to prevent China's population to rise above the coolie level?

EU with its new pool of low cost labor and highly developed technical schools is about to explode its muscles anytime and is more direct threat to US economic superiority.



To: RealMuLan who wrote (36287)7/19/2003 3:57:53 PM
From: Maurice Winn  Respond to of 74559
 
Yiwu, you naughty racist, making wild generalisations about we "Westerners", as though there is a clear line between the Chinese, who write Chinese history and we "Westerners", who don't.

It's great that Chinese feel very secure. I have worked hard to ensure they do and I'm delighted with my success. But we westerners, "your guys", are in fact doing a spot of writing of Chinese history ourselves.

It's true that without Chairman Mao, there would have been a very different China and world, but that's not necessarily a bad thing and judging from the pay rates in China and how many people ended up dead and fleeing to live with we Westerners, it might have been a very good thing if he too had be judged by that anti-authoritarian monkey which saw everyone below him "purged" or worse at some time or other.

Mao was just another in the eons-old litany of murderous alpha male dominance hierarchy confiscatory thugs which all homo sapiens suffer from time to time. Whether it's David Koresh, Jim Jones, Saddam, Stalin, Hitler or Idi Amin, they pop out of the woodwork and do their horrifying thing. The strange thing is the adulatory mobs they seem able to inspire into a frenzy of mindless mantras which invariably involve enthusiastic violence and destruction.

We all like leaders, because we know that some people have more talent than we do. So we cast our lot in with Bernie Schwartz of Globalstar and Loral fame, Irwin Jacobs who is the inspiration of QUALCOMM, King George II who will save America from Islamic Jihad and Chairman Mao who will weave magic in the proletariat and defend China against the evil Westerners. Unfortunately, too often, their feats are clay. They all look like great leaders, at least to a lot of people, sufficient to give them a flock, until things go wrong. Knowing who are great and who have feet of clay is a tricky thing.

But back to who is Chinese and who is not, so we can know who has approved thinking and is writing Chinese history and who isn't.

Would New Zealand bananas be Chinese? Bananas are people who fled China over the past 100 years and more and are Kiwis. They are called bananas being "yellow on the outside, but white in the inside". Which isn't quite an accurate description, but it's apt. I think they wrote some history. Very important history.

Would I be Chinese? Mother born in China but me born here? Would she? Anyway, she wrote some Chinese history and so did her parents. They lived in Dalian running some oil industry stuff. I'm sure you have heard a little of the history of the British Empire in China and Standard Oil too. They wrote some history.

Today, Made in China is ubiquitous. Most things we buy are Made in China. We are writing the history of China again. This is the era of exporting. Umpty million Chinese are working in export factories with that money funding further development in China. They produce 5 toasters and the income from 2 or 3 or 4 of the toasters provides the income to buy 1, 2, or 3 of them in China, so Chinese get toasters too.

Similarly, with that amazing CDMA2000 phragmented photon cyberphone technology, which is going to totally rewrite the history of China. I have been writing flat out. I have put my life's savings into writing the history flat out. Our Great and Wonderful Chairman Irwin is writing China's history and he's not doing it with anyone being run over with tractors, beaten or re-educated in rural poverty. On the contrary, the rural people are swarming to be educated in the magic of CDMA so they too can join in the revolution.

This is a revolution of peace, light, harmony, happiness, health, longevity, prosperity, fun and love. China is joining the revolution started by me, who is writing your history right now. Okay, you can say I am Chinese, so you could assert still that Chinese history is being written by the Chinese, but I don't think Irwin is Chinese and he is writing Chinese history flat out too.

My point is that the world is so integrated, including China, that making distinctions between countries and cultures is increasingly difficult. Heck, look at Jay Chen and his tribe if you want to see blurred lines.

Hu Jintao, Irwin and I are writing Chinese history while you write about it here. Now that I think about it, you are writing Chinese history right here in SI, joining up with the rest of the world and integrating with it and being subsumed by it.

The Luddite anti-globalisation people see the process and don't like it. Too bad for them. The rest of us are writing history. New Zealand [Auckland anyway] is swarming with Chinese so our history is being rewritten too. We are increasingly a colony of China. It's a process of write and be written.

The world will look quite different in 100 years and the Long March and Standard Oil in Dalian will be distant memories - artifacts of history. Even CDMA2000 will be old technology which wove some magic for a few decades and started a revolution - the mobile cyberspace revolution. China will be in the vortex of that revolution, not on the periphery or beyond the event horizon. You'd have to go to somewhere in Africa to avoid It and write your own history, untouched by the revolution.

The days of isolated countries, writing their own history with a 'lift ourselves by our own bootstraps' political system, such as Albania, North Korea and China are numbered. It just doesn't work. There isn't the capital, knowledge or population to enable bootstrap lifting. We the Sheeple and the free world are moving too fast and we have the numbers. Inward-looking, introspective, 'write our own history' cultures are doomed. India is still trying to bootstrap themselves, but even they have let a glimmer of revolutionary light in from CDMA2000 and now they'll get moving.

You should not feel at all secure, there is some big history being written and you Chinese are right there in the script, and with quite a big part to play. To play a good part, it will be necessary to learn the lines of the actors who do well. I see you have learned English - that's a good start. Learning the mystical incantations of CDMA2000 will be another good move.

It's going to be a lot of fun and the fun has begun [as Chairman Jacobs has said].

Mqurice



To: RealMuLan who wrote (36287)7/20/2003 1:54:12 AM
From: Seeker of Truth  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 74559
 
"Without him, there would be no new China, period." I'm sorry to say this but I consider that this is a profound insult to the Chinese people. Consider corrupt Chiang Kai Shek and the whole feudal system in which the landlords mostly lead lives of luxury and their tenants starved. Only one man out of the 450,000,000 Chinese people of the day was capable of overthrowing that bad system!! All of the rest were inadequate for such a task? Which religion is that from?? It's certainly not Marx-Leninism. It's not even the thoughts of Mao Tse-Tung. The historic fact was that he did have rivals for the leadership of the party. He swept them out. The last serious one was Liu Shao-chi, as you know. Were these rivals all bad men or incompetent? The cult of the individual is Fascism, it's not scientific at all.
What do you hope for in the China of the near future? The rise of a new figure whose face is plastered everywhere, who is compared to the sun in the sky, etc? Without whom we couldn't have industrialized, kept the imperialists out, established a great educational system etc., etc. An end to the incessant bickering so characteristic of democracy. A people united behind their godlike leader?