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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: tejek who wrote (431863)	7/23/2003 12:03:41 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

They did not go to war on forged documents, the Niger claim was not that central. Even now, German intelligence fears that hostile elements in Iraq retain the capacity to use chemical weapons, because it is undeniable that they were obtaining the materials necessary before the war. We just found Oday and Qusay, maybe we will find the WMDs soon. I have no idea how strong the links to Al- Qaida are, absent the top secret part of the dossier on the subject. The war was pulled off beautifully. There is no evidence of lack of planning for the post war period. For example, the Interim Council is now in place, and they have rounded up or killed 34 top members of the regime. What is clear is that things are not going as well as hoped. However, in the fog of war, no one gets it one hundred percent right. If you want to blame FDR and Churchill for giving Stalin Eastern Europe, or blame MacArthur for being repulsed by Chinese troops after invading North Korea, then I guess you can blame the current leadership for greater than expected resistance after the main campaign. But it is still too early to know how it will pan out.......

To: tejek who wrote (431863)	7/23/2003 12:13:00 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

What amazes me is the trek of people like Wolfowitz to Iraq for a few days. They then come back as "on the scene" experts to tell us it's going a lot better than you'd think after listening to the candid remarks of the troops and seeing the injuries and deaths that are continuing to mount among our troops and cooperative Iraqis. Didn't we see this a few decades ago. Politicians travel to the "war zone" and then tell us how well it's going, how much the population supports us, how high the morale of the troops is and that the tide is turning and success is just around the corner. How can a few days of a scripted tour lead to that level of expertise? It's not the choir you need to talk to if you want to find out if the devil has plans, and there's no way that these newly created "recently on the scene" experts saw anyone but the tamest, most grateful and most cooperative soldiers and Iraqis. It's good that they got the Hussein brothers but unless substantial segments of the Iraqi population turn against the guerrillas, it won't mean spit. Let's not declare the beginning of victory in the peace until we have some real indications that it's happening. This administration has been terribly wrong in evaluating the Iraqi response to our invasion and occupation from the beginning. I don't see them getting smart overnight, "on the scene," scripted, junkets or not.