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To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (886)	8/20/2003 4:51:12 PM
From: calgal	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1641

Effort to Delay Calif. Recall Denied URL:http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A21326-2003Aug20?la... By GREG RISLING The Associated Press Wednesday, August 20, 2003; 4:07 PM LOS ANGELES - A federal judge on Wednesday refused to delay the Oct. 7 recall election, rejecting arguments by a civil rights group that punch-card voting machines used in at least six counties won't accurately tally votes. U.S. District Judge Stephen V. Wilson said he would not rule against the will of the people by delaying the recall vote, as requested by the American Civil Liberties Union. The ruling was the latest development in legal challenges seeking to delay the historic vote. On Tuesday, the U.S. Justice Department accepted the Oct. 7 election date in response to two civil rights lawsuits filed in San Jose federal court. Those suits seek to move the vote to March 2, the date of California's scheduled primary. ACLU attorneys asked the judge to delay the recall until March so that six counties can replace punch-card voting machines with modern touch-screens or written ballots. The old machines are being eliminated to avoid problems like the ones that caused the hanging-chad controversy during the 2000 Florida presidential vote. But punch-card machines will still be used in the six counties for the recall. The groups' lawsuit claims the punch-card machines have error rates as high as 3 percent. The state's attorney argued that it was premature to speculate what may happen with the punch-card machines and that delaying the election would be a disservice to voters. © 2003 The Associated Press

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (886)	8/20/2003 4:54:03 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1641

You obviously have some personal issue behind this. What is it? Much to much heat here to be a simple business issue. Wrong, there are a bunch of people that have had to deal with prop 13 over the years on behalf of younger people or companies who do not benefit... I am only one and we are all pretty p!ssed off about it. Amy J another, Darfot and some others go ask them what they think. I remember in 1998 I had to negotiate with a bunch of elderly long time property owners to get rentals for my employees in San Mateo area. To talk to these people, you'd think THEY founded Oracle. They were out of state landlords. They wanted 10K/mo for their tract home in some cases. When they read that yahoo had a good quarter, they would call me up and demand a 25% rent increase which would have been $1000 more per month per tenant in the house, and my employees only take home $3-$4K/month. A lot of real simpletons lived in CA 30 years ago and without any ability to generate wealth themselves, they have to sock it to their kids. That is what I think motivates people to be like this, an inability to succeed on their own. Anyway whatever it is, we have a real problem with this older generation and their passing subsidies for themselves, prop 13 was one. They need to survive on their own merits imho. As far as Tandem, same deal. Please don't say ebay, yahoo etc should "just move"- tandem did not have any part in founding stanford or berkeley which is why SV is here. tandem was not a key player in the valley. Tandem was, however here when they passed that crybaby law prop 13 and now they own a bunch of land scot free which should have been taken from them by the free market years ago. As soon as prop 13 is dead and buried, the better and that day is finally upon us I believe with a deficit of over $1K for every man woman and child in the state. No way to sales tax or car tax us out of this one.