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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (6007)	8/26/2003 2:56:39 PM
From: LindyBill	Respond to of 793622

Washington Wrap - CBS news.com WASHINGTON, August 26, 2003 Dotty Lynch, Douglas Kiker, Steve Chaggaris and Clothilde Ewing of The CBS News Political Unit have the latest from the nation's capital. Raising The Bar: Once again, Howard Dean's campaign in upping the ante and acting like the frontrunner. After raising an impressive $7.6 million in the second quarter, which ended June 30, the Dean campaign says it never lost momentum and has continued to come up with fundraising tactics and activities that just might pay off. According to the AP, Dean?s campaign manager Joe Trippi is confident they can blow the second-quarter figures out of the water. "Based on what's coming in at events and online, we now believe we?re on pace to set a goal of $10.3 million," he said. The campaign is also ready to shed out around $1 million on television ads slated to run in Arizona, New Mexico, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Washington State and Wisconsin on Friday. The ad, set to run for two weeks, will take aim at President Bush?s tax cut, the invasion of Iraq and, true to Dean's combative style, the Democrats who supported it. "I opposed the war with Iraq when too many Democrats supported it because I want a foreign policy consistent with American values," Dean says in the ad. Recent polls show Dean leading in Iowa and New Hampshire, sites of the first primary and caucuses, but the front-loaded nomination process for 2004 won't allow candidates to ignore states such as New Mexico, which voted June 6 in 2000, but will vote on Feb. 3 this time around. South Carolina, Arizona and Oklahoma will also hold primaries on Feb.3, while Washington State holds caucuses Feb. 7 and Wisconsin has its primary on Feb. 17...... .......Pie, Nomar And John Kerry: You gotta love the Web! This presidential season, the Democratic candidates are relying heavily on the interactivity of the Internet to get folks from Iowa and New Hampshire involved in their campaigns. For instance, Rep. Dick Gephardt has announced "The Great Gephardt Iowa Pie Challenge," in which he?s calling "on Iowans to help him find the tastiest, flakiest, fruitiest, creamiest, most scrumptious slices of pie in Iowa." Head to his Web site and you can follow along with Gephardt?s "Pie Chart" showing where the candidate has eaten pie around Iowa. You can also "join the fun" by telling "Dick where you think he should go for his next slice of pie." Other ways to take part include sending in pie recipes or even volunteering for the Gephardt campaign and having some pie. Seriously. Sen. Joe Lieberman is challenging New Hampshire residents to "See Joe?s Car & Go See Nomar!" The campaign sending two JoeMobiles (a red, white and blue "Joe 2004" PT Cruiser and Dodge Intrepid) around the state between August 25 and 30 "to spread the good word about Joe in every corner of the state." Any Granite Stater who sees one of the cars can enter to win two tickets to see Red Sox shortstop Nomar Garciaparra and his team play the Chicago White Sox at Fenway Park in Boston on Sept. 14. The campaign is asking entrants to e-mail the campaign or call Lieberman?s N.H. headquarters and say, "I saw the car and love Nomar" (or as most residents of New Hampshire would say: "I saw the cahhh and love Nomahhh.") Meantime, Sen. John Kerry?s campaign Web site is offering "a day of campaigning" with the candidate. The contest description is a bit short on details but it does say the lucky winner will get to spend a day in Iowa or New Hampshire with Kerry and will receive "roundtrip transportation, food and accommodations." But beware to all of those who don?t participate in the political process: "Participants must be registered voters in order to play." Quote of the Day: "It?s like one newspaper pointed out, Bustamante is Gray Davis with a receding hairline and a mustache. It?s the same person. Same philosophy." ? Arnold Schwarzenegger on the Democratic side of the gubernatorial fight. (San Jose Mercury News)

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (6007)	8/26/2003 3:13:01 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793622

I think the American people can take it for a while - if they know why it's necessary. I disagree, Nadine. For two reasons. First the speed of communications today means that five years benchmark for Vietnam is dramatically shorter. Who knows how much because other variables count. But so far as information flow is concerned, it will matter. Those daily deaths will add up if they are not matched by some clear evidence of progress. Not the present spin we see. Second reason is that there is little sense of this as a "necessary" war and if the present circumstances persist, the slight degree to which that exists will slide away. It may be replaced by the notion of a "necessary occupation" less Iraq become, as a failed state, a setting for Al Q types. But if that's paralleled with a mounting US death toll, that too will erode. If the Bushies cannot offer some clear evidence of demonstrable successes, this becomes the proverbial tarbaby.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (6007)	8/26/2003 8:11:14 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 793622

The Vietnam War did not have massive demonstrations even BEFORE it started. And the internet did not exist as a means of organizing them. And if the gov't tries to control the internet to prevent that, I'LL join them. And if people like me join, that's REALLY bad. I think the American people can take it for a while - if they know why it's necessary. It's necessary because? There are no WMD. Face it. There is no connection to al qaeda. So tell me again: We went in because ....... ?