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To: unclewest who wrote (7021)9/7/2003 9:24:22 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793818
 
.The pistols you are hearing about is the standard sidearm for many tank crewmen.


I read an article about the tank crewmen being used as Infantry and grabbing AK-47s, Mike. So I am sure it is happening. With 5 armor battalions being used for guard duty, you have a lot of crewmen out of their element.

Another thing that is going on with the 3rd and now the 4th ID, that is not proven, but I believe is happened, is that the Baghdad HQ boys really put the brakes on their ability to react to potential action against them right after the Liberation.

There were too many JAGs interfering with 3rd and 4th ID and making up "Rules of Engagement" to make it look good for the press and DC. Got troopers killed. The Marines and Airborne in the North and South were out of the line of fire of the Chairborne, and established a much tougher ROE with the Iraqis involved.



To: unclewest who wrote (7021)9/7/2003 10:29:27 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793818
 
I have always thought of this vehicle as "Shinisky's folly" and now some of the problems are surfacing. It has always been too heavy. They "Gold Plated" it with too many missions. It is built to handle a heavy gun, and also be a light troop carrier. What makes if worse is that they had an armor problem with the Bradley and tried to CYA. It was so bad TV made a movie about it. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Faulty Armor?

The Army's prized Stryker wheeled troop carrier is supposed to spearhead America's lighter, go-anywhere-fast force. But NEWSWEEK has learned that the vehicles may be flawed, and that the military has known about the problem for months
By John Barry

NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVE
Sept. 5 - The Bush administration's military predicament in Iraq has suddenly gotten worse

JUST A MONTH before the next U.S. Army unit is due to deploy in Iraq to relieve the hard-pressed forces already there, the military is confessing to a potential showstopper. The deploying unit's new armored vehicles may have faulty armor which would leave them vulnerable to machine-gun fire and to the rocket-propelled grenades that are the Iraq insurgents' favorite weapon.
The vehicle is the prized new Stryker wheeled troop carrier, advertised as the first fruit of the Army's plan to transform itself into a lighter, go-anywhere-fast force.
Worse still: the Army has known it might have a problem since February, but has kept quiet about it. An Army memo sent yesterday to the head of the Stryker program, and obtained by NEWSWEEK, reports: "Evidently this issue was first raised in February 2003. Am unsure how this issue escaped public scrutiny for six months." Not even Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was told, NEWSWEEK has learned. "Understand that ARSTAF [Army Staff] have been told to treat this issue as if it were "classified", says the memo, which is addressed to Lt. Gen. John Riggs, the head of the Stryker program. At a recent Army meeting to discuss the faulty armor, the main topic on the agenda, according to a DOD source, was: "How do we tell Secretary Rumsfeld?" Rumsfeld is now in Iraq. According to the memo to Riggs, the Army briefed "selected staffers" on Capitol Hill yesterday.
Unlike the massively thick steel that tanks are made from, the 19-ton Stryker has a light steel and aluminum structure. But this is clad in 130 ceramic tiles, supposedly tough enough stop heavy machine-gun fire and deflect the blast of incoming RPGs. More than 600 Strykers have been built by General Dynamics, which has a $4 billion contract to produce 2,100 in all. But the ceramic armor tiles are produced for GD by a German subcontractor. The problem arose when the German firm apparently changed the mix of ingredients in the tiles. (The firm could not be reached for comment.)
The Army discovered this in February, sources say, when, as standard quality control, some tiles were X-rayed. Further tests revealed that, on some batches of tiles, the subcontractor had changed not only the ingredients but parts of the manufacturing process too. In August, a tile from one of those errant batches failed to stop machine-gun bullets in a live-fire test at the Aberdeen Proving Ground in northern Maryland, according to Army sources.
But which Stryker vehicles are carrying the defective tiles? The Army and GD have been combing databases on the Stryker construction program to track those tiles among the close to 80,000 delivered so far. The findings are bad news. "All Strykers in combat brigades and at test sites, more than 600 vehicles, are equipped with some [potentially faulty] armor panels, and will need retesting," says the memo to Riggs.
The Stryker unit that is to deploy to Iraq in October is the Third Brigade of the Second Infantry Division. The division, based at Fort Lewis in Washington, is one of the Army?s two testbeds for the Stryker. The Third Brigade has 309 Strykers, their deployment to Iraq was to be the Stryker's combat debut. But the database has found that most of those Strykers may be carrying one or more faulty tiles. "My understanding is that 225 of the 309 Strykers in the brigade will need to be examined," says the memo to Riggs. "The number to be fixed will most likely be less than that but it is TBD [to be determined]."
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Army experts at Aberdeen have been working frantically since early summer to test every batch of tiles, and figure out how to fix the faulty ones. The Army brass has demanded daily progress reports from Aberdeen. The only long-term fix, Aberdeen has concluded, is to replace all the faulty tiles. But that cannot be done in time for the Iraq deployment. So the emergency fix that the Army has decided for the Strykers bound for Iraq is to glue a sheet of ultrahard steel behind each faulty tile. But that could cause further problems. A memo to the Army from contractor GD, also obtained by NEWSWEEK, warns: ?The steel reinforcement ? increases the Stryker?s weight.?
Weight is already a controversial issue for the Stryker. The vehicle was designed to be air-mobile, which the Army defined to mean transportable by a C-130 aircraft. But the vehicle is already so heavy that a C-130 can in fact carry it only for a short distance. Extra steel plates will only compound this problem.
The Stryker program has been under critical fire since its inception five years ago. Many of the Army?s most senior officers privately consider the Stryker far too large?it?s as big as a school bus?and far too vulnerable either in open combat or in the confined spaces of urban warfare. (Even with its ceramic cladding, certain spots on the Stryker remain unprotected against an accurately aimed RPG or even rifle fire.) The project was the brainchild of Army Chief of Staff Gen. Eric Shinseki. With Shinseki?s retirement a few weeks ago, there is speculation whether the new chief of staff, Gen. Pete Schoomaker, will re-examine the Stryker program. The revelations about faulty armor means Congress will almost certainly intervene. The memo to General Riggs warns: ?The possibility of congressional hearings on this issue must be considered.?
Army spokesman Maj. Gary Tallman said: ?The Army discovered this through our testing process, and we have a plan in place to fix it. The vehicles will be certified [as fixed] before they deploy to Iraq.?
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