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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (114621)	9/12/2003 9:13:47 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

US army blunder 'kills eight Iraqi officers' Friday September 12, 2003 US soldiers today killed at least eight Iraqi police officers who were chasing a car full of armed men through a checkpoint near Falluja, it was reported today... Twenty-five policemen in three vehicles, two pickup trucks and a saloon car, were chasing the four men in the BMW... US army troops in a Humvee jeep near Falluja's Jordanian hospital opened fire on the suspect car and the police convoy, apparently mistaking the officers for guerrillas. Assem Mohammed, 23, a police sergeant who was among the injured, told Reuters: "We were chasing a car when the Americans fired at us. They continued firing ... despite our pleas for them to stop and to tell them we are police and security." Policeman Arkan Adnan Ahmed said they were under fire for about 45 minutes. He was shot in the shoulder. guardian.co.uk My comment: Add this, to the story of shooting a Reuters cameraman at close range, and shooting kids playing on rooftops. 45 minutes. How can it take that long, to figure out who you are firing at? Not a day goes by, without a news story about random firepower hitting random targets.

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (114621)	9/12/2003 10:25:51 PM
From: kumar	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

India is having too much fun in Kashmir...... If your idea of fun is losing a few civilians every day for 50 years, I have nothing to dicuss. India has 250,000 troops in Kashmir. But the place has nothing. Have you ever visited Kashmir ? If yes, I'd be interested in knowing of your experience. If No, you are better off keeping your mouth (and keyboard) shut.

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (114621)	9/13/2003 1:55:45 AM
From: k.ramesh	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Other places that have nothing - Tibet, North Dakota,Yukon.. To say that Kashmir has nothing and hence is negotiable, ignores georgraphy for one thing. Kashmir is on one side of the Himalayas, China on the other. It is the most natural boundary defining India in the minds of a billion people. India has a collective memory of invaders from the NorthWest pouring in from about 1100 - 1600. It also reinforces the secularism that Indians have come to accept as the only sane way of dealing with diversity. Kashmir is 1% of India's population 10/1100 million. So if nations lived by the bottomline alone, Indians would not have continued the struggle to convince,cajole,and at times coerce Kashmir to see the bigger picture for 50 years. As for India hesitating to send troops, a 12% muslim population is one part of the story. There is the reality of coalition governments that can collapse any moment. Then there is the national myth that Indians hold dear of never having invaded any other nation. Everything anyone needed was already here etc. Of course being part of a UN peace keeping force is not invasion. But with all the phony talk of the UN providing a 'fig leaf' for other nations, 'putting an Iraqi face' etc. you have to wonder who is buying any of this. Any one who can read a newspaper in any language can see through these feeble attempts. And Indian elections have proved in the past that even 'illiterate masses' can figure out for themselves if they are being fooled.