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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: The Philosopher who wrote (77057)10/9/2003 1:48:17 PM
From: Solon  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 82486
 
"That was acknowledged by everybody (except perhaps Solon)."

I acknowledged there were issues of conscience. But I gave my opinion that their was no justification for conscience as a defence against overt harm of others. I acknowleged that conscience as a defense has been allowed in the avoidance of participation in war (for instance). So far as I know it cannot be used by a bigot, a racist, a thief, or a pervert, to justify whatever kinds of active harm such people wish to do.

Thought and the freedom of belief is something we all cherish. Therefore, there is something incredibly ironic about someone wishing to claim freedom to keep others from thinking sexual thoughts--as if that were even in his control.

I know it has sometimes been used in the past to actively harm others. But under present day morals and social mores it would seem very unlikely. I know there was a case in Canada where a print shop refused to do business with homosexuals because they believed they were the spawn of Satan or something. I think it went to the Supremes, and for some reason I can't recall how it was disposed. I must run for the day. I will look it up when I get back.



To: The Philosopher who wrote (77057)10/9/2003 1:50:47 PM
From: Neocon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486
 
That is not the issue at all. All of this originated in my discussion with tim about freedom of conscience. The issue is at what point does society get to substitute its moral conclusions for those of the individual, and how do we distinguish a conscience claim from mere prejudice or whim......