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Politics : Arnold for Governor! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: American Spirit who wrote (534)10/9/2003 4:29:10 PM
From: Oral Roberts  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 773
 
You don't deal well with facts, do you? A very concise argument has been laid out against your position and you can't refute it so you change the subject or call folks names.

I can't imagine why I took you off ignore. There was little doubt you hadn't changed and I see that is true. I suppose like watching a train wreck there is that twisted side of me that wanted to watch you thrashed but the fun is over and for my blood pressures sake ignore is back in place. The only amusing thing is watching Republican's gain more and more ground and watching the party of twits become more and more irrelevant.



To: American Spirit who wrote (534)10/9/2003 5:09:23 PM
From: Original Mad Dog  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 773
 
My name isn't genius, but compliment accepted. <g>

I would take the following approach. I would start with payroll, surely one of the largest consumers of state dollars. In 1997-98 (or the year One B.D. --Before Davis), the State of California had 271,254.1 full time equivalent employees. (source: California Legislative Affairs Office, lao.ca.gov. This number represented a modest increase over the employment level of a few years earlier, which had been 265,034.5 in 1993-94.

Then Davis took over. The most recent data available from the California LAO shows that the state employee headcount increased from 271,254.1 in Year 1 B.D. to 323,602.8 in Davis Year 4 (2001-02). The Web site doesn't have the figures for 2002-03. Year-by-year, here is how the totals look:

1997-98: 271,254.1
1998-99: 282,859.7
1999-00: 296,076.1
2000-01: 311,238.9
2001-02: 323,602.8

Most businesses use a number of between $50,000 and $100,000 per year to express the cost of having an employee for a year, including salary, benefits (usually these are 30 to 40 percent of the salary), pension costs, supplying office space, equipment, etc.

Recall that during the years in question, California's state population grew by 6 percent (see my earlier post and cites to sources for those numbers). Therefore, we will assume that the base level of appropriate growth for the California state employee population should also have been 6 percent from 1998 to 2003. If Davis had held the line to 6 percent growth in employees, this would have resulted in an overall California state workforce of 287,529.3 (271,254.1 * 1.06). Therefore, at first glance California seems to have acquired about 36,000 more employees than one would expect were needed to service the 6 percent increase in demand for services driven by the population growth.

If we were to then get rid of 36,000 employees and if we assume that the cost per year of having an employee on the payroll averages $75,000 (which is a conservative estimate), that would save $2.7 billion per year just by getting rid of the extra bodies that Davis added on.

However, I don't believe in simplistic approaches or statements. So I wouldn't go about it exactly that way. Instead, I would look at the line items of where the bodies were added, identify the two areas where the priority (there is perhaps no more important word to be learned by government than "priority") is greatest, and leave the increased employment intact in those areas only, rolling it back to 1998 levels in all other areas. Here are the areas listed in the LAO report on state employment:

Legislative, Executive and Judicial
State & Consumer Services Agency
Business, Transportation & Housing
Trade and Commerce Agency
Resources
Environmental Protection Agency
Health & Human Services
Corrections
K-12 Education
Higher Education
Labor and Workforce Development
General Government

Everyone has their own two favorites, things they think are the most important. Personally, mine out of that list are K-12 Education and environmental protection, so I will focus on those. In those areas, from 1997-98 through 2001-02, state employment increased by 325 people in K-12 education (bear in mind these aren't the teachers but the state administration of the system) and by 1,030.6 in environmental protection.

So I would keep those 1,355.6 extra people that Davis added, and reduce the workforce of every single other state agency to 6 percent above 1998 levels. This would result in a reduced workforce of approximately 34,600 people. The savings in employee cost alone would be about $2.5 billion per year without any program payments to nonemployees being cut at all.

Then I would focus on the specific programs themselves using the same approach, that is, look at the delta (change) between where they were in Year One B.D. (1997-98) and where they are currently, identify the areas (priorities, there's that word again) in which I felt the spending increase was most appropriate, and reduce all other areas to 6 percent above 1997-98 levels. This would result in a level of state services approximately the same as before Governor Davis took office in all areas except the two I identified as deserving of additional monies.

If you like I can go through the exercise, though I won't have time until a bit later. Thought I'd let you consider the general approach first and offer any thoughts you might have.



To: American Spirit who wrote (534)10/9/2003 5:33:46 PM
From: Dr. Voodoo  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 773
 
Forgive me for this RANT. Don't take it personal that I disagree with you but I couldn't help but get this off my chest.

Here are two real numbers put out by Bustamante and Davis prior to this election:

It would cost upwards of 60-100 million to hold the recall election in California.

They spend $257,000 per classroom in this state to educate the kids.

Explain why it cost me 10 bucks to go cast a vote mr. genius. Oh, and they shut down about 1/3rd of the polling places. That number is the most forked up thing I have ever heard. It's nothing more than the california govt establishment trying to make it harder for people to vote.

Explain why the kids don't see anywhere close to that 257 K in the classroom. I'll tell you why. Because the money is getting pissed away on idiotic administrative costs that have nothing to do with the tasks at hand.

Another thing, healthcare costs in california are OUT OF CONTROL. Doctors are ripping off the system for every penny with the full cooperation of insurance companies who know they can pass the costs on to businesses and raise the bottom line. Meanwhile the quality of the care is ATROCIOUS with greedy doctors becoming sales whores for their favorite treatment options.

You can blather on all you want about the tight budget, but the fact is a LARGE chunk of money is being wasted by greedy bastards who are lining their pockets on the backs of taxpayers.

Ahnuld got elected because a big chunk of people in California believe that you could put a freaking monkey in the governors seat and do as good a job as anybody else because the budgets are spent and all the legislature does is fight over every nickel and dime and doesn't get a damn thing done.

Bottom line is nobody gives a damn what gets cut anymore as long as they don't see the idiots in Sacramento piss it away on booze and broads.



To: American Spirit who wrote (534)10/9/2003 6:44:52 PM
From: Original Mad Dog  Respond to of 773
 
Here are some more ideas:

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