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Pastimes : Prophecy -- HYPE or HOPE? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Cyprian who wrote (2361)	10/30/2003 9:42:06 AM
From: SOROS	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 5569

Brent, I'll take that as a starting point again. Thank you for the clear answer. Now, let's get back to a discussion of prophecy and where we think the world is headed in the next 10 years, and how each country and person might fit in. I am seeing the Democrats as a choice for losing the country completely, but I see Bush steering us toward an eventual dictatorship. Not that he would be around by then, but he's laying a good framework for someone else to exploit. What a great choice we have! I remain, SOROS

To: Cyprian who wrote (2361)	10/30/2003 11:27:21 AM
From: DMaA	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 5569

Saul was chosen to be King of the Israelites as a punishment for their lack of faith. Samuel 1 4 So all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah. 5 They said to him, "You are old, and your sons do not walk in your ways; now appoint a king to lead [1] us, such as all the other nations have." 6 But when they said, "Give us a king to lead us," this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the LORD . 7 And the LORD told him: "Listen to all that the people are saying to you;it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. 8 As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. 9 Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do." 10 Samuel told all the words of the LORD to the people who were asking him for a king. 11 He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots. 12 Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. 14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants. 15 He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants. 16 Your menservants and maidservants and the best of your cattle [2] and donkeys he will take for his own use. 17 He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves. 18 When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in that day." 19 But the people refused to listen to Samuel. "No!" they said. "We want a king over us. 20 Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles." 21 When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the LORD . 22 The LORD answered, "Listen to them and give them a king." Then Samuel said to the men of Israel, "Everyone go back to his town." I have read that the Hebrew conquest of Canaan can be viewed as a peasant revolt against the aristocracy that held the land in bondage. If you look at it like that, it makes this passage especially poignant, because here they are, the descendents of the people who shook off the unjust rule of kings, begging to have their shackles put back on.